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Free will is part of the equation, but when good mid-density housing has been illegal in North America since WWII is it really a question of free will?

• AlbertCory 5y ago
  OK, let's ignore North America for a second [1] [2] and look at the whole world. I only find one country under 50% (barely!) and that's Hong Kong. I've been there; it's pretty crowded. Given that much or even most high-density housing in big cities is rental and not condo or other ownership, it does seem like most people worldwide prefer to own. I don't have the data on single-family vs. multi-unit. Canada and the US are nowhere near the top of the list. [1] https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/home-ownership-rate https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/home-ownership-rat... [2] https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highest-home-ownership-rates.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highe...
  • Jackim 5y ago
    I'm not sure why type of ownership pertains here? I would say that in North America, single-family zoning has become the dominant form because it's been the cheapest to build. It should not be the cheapest to build. We haven't been accounting for the externalities of increased land-use and transportation costs, but municipalities will increasingly bear that burden and taxpayers in denser areas will continue to subsidize the suburban lifestyle.
    • AlbertCory 5y ago
      > I'm not sure why type of ownership pertains here? I demonstrated the home ownership is well over 50% worldwide. I conceded that that might well be more condos / flats / coops in other countries, but I don't have that data. As for single-family being the cheapest to build: that is quite likely true worldwide outside of urban cores. If you think it's not, it's on you to prove it. If it IS true, then it's obviously not a US political problem.
      • Jackim 5y ago
        Ah okay, I see. I was using NA as my example because it's what I know the most about, and I think it has the most obvious suburban form. There are other countries around the world that exhibit similar patterns. My point about single-family being cheapest to build is indeed a US political problem, because through law/taxation we have incentivized it to be. By cheapest to build, I mean including municipal development charges and the land cost. The external costs of these developments (increased carbon emissions, less efficient land use) are not being paid for by the developer, so taxpayers/local governments are not being forced to pay for that burden.
        • AlbertCory 5y ago
          I doubt seriously that you've done any research on the cost of building housing in other countries: what the builder has to pay the municipality, what the homeowner has to pay in local taxes (over & above the income tax and VAT). Have you?
  • cheriot 5y ago
    Are you equating home ownership with single family neighborhoods? That's... wildly inaccurate.
    • AlbertCory 5y ago
      apparently you haven't been reading the other threads about that.