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I want to take a slightly different approach to this, as someone who thinks it somewhat is 'megalomaniacal' to fight death. I don't think it's because the attem

I want to take a slightly different approach to this, as someone who thinks it somewhat is 'megalomaniacal' to fight death. I don't think it's because the attempt to overcome it is pure hubris, however. And I fear we will eventually one day succeed. For me, it's because -- let's face it -- it'll only be available to the extremely wealthy and well-off. It won't be available to the average citizen. This will just further cause our immortal overlords to be able to concentrate power and wealth, even moreso than they're already doing. That's not a good thing. Death is the Great Equalizer (especially if there's a very progressive estate tax), and if it is conquered there's nothing to stop that anymore. As to why we treat doctors and those who prolong life now differently, well, it's reasonably accessible to everyone, especially in a first world country. Sure, you might not get the cutting-edge treatment the rich and powerful can get, but you can get very good quality treatment and prolong your healthspan for a while based on what we have. And, even if you don't get the treatment the rich and powerful do, they are still going to die one day, so at least there's that. I see no reason to believe that whoever figures out how to stop aging/death will open it to the public, or that it will ever be accessible to the populace. For me, it's a vanity project of the rich that will only harm the poor, and I think that quite decently fits the definition of megalomaniac.

kiba 5y ago
For me, it's because -- let's face it -- it'll only be available to the extremely wealthy and well-off. It won't be available to the average citizen. This will just further cause our immortal overlords to be able to concentrate power and wealth, even moreso than they're already doing. That's not a good thing. Death is the Great Equalizer (especially if there's a very progressive estate tax), and if it is conquered there's nothing to stop that anymore. Why would it only be available for the extremely wealthy and well-off? Where do you get the idea that such therapies must invariably be expensive? Do you know what's really expensive? The imploding cost of healthcare, especially when concerning people who's entering old age. That would be like saying we shouldn't develop mRNA technology because it will only be available to rich people.
- dorchadas 5y ago
  > Why would it only be available for the extremely wealthy and well-off? Why wouldn't it? > Where do you get the idea that such therapies must invariably be expensive? Because those with power and wealth will want to keep it from those who aren't as well off, and they control the pricing of it. It seems the logical endpoint to me. I don't see them working on making it cheaper for the common person out of the goodness of their heart. And I see their desire to keep their power as stronger than their desire to worry about healthcare costs. Maybe I'm super cynical and pessimistic, but if the cure for aging is found, I don't see it being made widely available, ever, for simple reason of power and politics. Humanity isn't at that point, and likely never will be.
  - kiba 5y ago
    I don't see them working on making it cheaper for the common person out of the goodness of their heart. And I see their desire to keep their power as stronger than their desire to worry about healthcare costs. Life isn't some game of throne that incentivized the creation of bloodthirsty ruthless power mongers except in some of the most dystopian place on earth. Maybe I'm super cynical and pessimistic, but if the cure for aging is found, I don't see it being made widely available, ever, for simple reason of power and politics. Humanity isn't at that point, and likely never will be. Economic and technological force might make such attempt at control a pointless exercise, especially since a cure will likely be made public by scientists.
    - dorchadas 5y ago
      > Life isn't some game of throne that incentivized the creation of bloodthirsty ruthless power mongers except in some of the most dystopian place on earth. I mean, even in the United States I see people doing everything they can to hold on to power and wealth and accumulate more at the expense of those who don't have it, and who are simply doing their best to survive. > Economic and technological force might make such attempt at control a pointless exercise, especially since a cure will likely be made public by scientists. Might. But will the cure be made public by scientists if it's funded by those who don't want it public? And even if it is made public, will the average person have the resources to make it even if the cure itself is available? Will they be allowed to have those resources?
bostonsre 5y ago
Wouldn't the cost of it roughly follow every other technological innovation? Extremely expensive and only affordable by the wealthy at first, then cost will go down over time as competition ramps up and economies of scale take effect.
- dorchadas 5y ago
  I think this all is assuming that those who have the power to will allow competition to ramp up and the price to come down. I can't help but feel they won't with the cure for aging, as it's in a different category than other medical and technological inventions. As I said in a reply to a sister comment, maybe I'm just cynical and pessimistic, but this is the one thing I don't see those who have money and power allowing to ever reach those who don't; if nobody had to age, it might threaten their power too much.

kiba 5y ago

For me, it's because -- let's face it -- it'll only be available to the extremely wealthy and well-off. It won't be available to the average citizen. This will just further cause our immortal overlords to be able to concentrate power and wealth, even moreso than they're already doing. That's not a good thing. Death is the Great Equalizer (especially if there's a very progressive estate tax), and if it is conquered there's nothing to stop that anymore. Why would it only be available for the extremely wealthy and well-off? Where do you get the idea that such therapies must invariably be expensive? Do you know what's really expensive? The imploding cost of healthcare, especially when concerning people who's entering old age. That would be like saying we shouldn't develop mRNA technology because it will only be available to rich people.

dorchadas 5y ago
> Why would it only be available for the extremely wealthy and well-off? Why wouldn't it? > Where do you get the idea that such therapies must invariably be expensive? Because those with power and wealth will want to keep it from those who aren't as well off, and they control the pricing of it. It seems the logical endpoint to me. I don't see them working on making it cheaper for the common person out of the goodness of their heart. And I see their desire to keep their power as stronger than their desire to worry about healthcare costs. Maybe I'm super cynical and pessimistic, but if the cure for aging is found, I don't see it being made widely available, ever, for simple reason of power and politics. Humanity isn't at that point, and likely never will be.
- kiba 5y ago
  I don't see them working on making it cheaper for the common person out of the goodness of their heart. And I see their desire to keep their power as stronger than their desire to worry about healthcare costs. Life isn't some game of throne that incentivized the creation of bloodthirsty ruthless power mongers except in some of the most dystopian place on earth. Maybe I'm super cynical and pessimistic, but if the cure for aging is found, I don't see it being made widely available, ever, for simple reason of power and politics. Humanity isn't at that point, and likely never will be. Economic and technological force might make such attempt at control a pointless exercise, especially since a cure will likely be made public by scientists.
  - dorchadas 5y ago
    > Life isn't some game of throne that incentivized the creation of bloodthirsty ruthless power mongers except in some of the most dystopian place on earth. I mean, even in the United States I see people doing everything they can to hold on to power and wealth and accumulate more at the expense of those who don't have it, and who are simply doing their best to survive. > Economic and technological force might make such attempt at control a pointless exercise, especially since a cure will likely be made public by scientists. Might. But will the cure be made public by scientists if it's funded by those who don't want it public? And even if it is made public, will the average person have the resources to make it even if the cure itself is available? Will they be allowed to have those resources?

bostonsre 5y ago

Wouldn't the cost of it roughly follow every other technological innovation? Extremely expensive and only affordable by the wealthy at first, then cost will go down over time as competition ramps up and economies of scale take effect.

dorchadas 5y ago
I think this all is assuming that those who have the power to will allow competition to ramp up and the price to come down. I can't help but feel they won't with the cure for aging, as it's in a different category than other medical and technological inventions. As I said in a reply to a sister comment, maybe I'm just cynical and pessimistic, but this is the one thing I don't see those who have money and power allowing to ever reach those who don't; if nobody had to age, it might threaten their power too much.