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It's fine to prefer rural areas, but the problem is using the law to force suburbs on people that would be happier in urban areas. "Increased population densit

It's fine to prefer rural areas, but the problem is using the law to force suburbs on people that would be happier in urban areas. "Increased population density also tends to increase crime." This is a myth. Murder rates by county https://i.redd.it/xl23t365qub41.png https://i.redd.it/xl23t365qub41.png "Increased population density has economic benefits that tend to go to companies and developers, not me." This is a self fulfilling prophecy. The thing killing budgets of the middle and working class in cities is the cost of housing. The cost of housing is so high because we prohibit building more of it! "It's too hard to get infrastructure built. Roads will never be enough and we'll never have good public transit." We use to be good at this. America had great transit before WW2. Other rich countries are still good at building it. We should not accept the status quo here. "Culture is too antagonistic. Public shared spaces with no charge or admission control always get overtaken by inconsiderate, loud people. The less of them, the better." American's go on vacation and come back raving about the parks and plazas of Europe so there's plenty of American's that would enjoy the things we outlaw.

nitrogen 5y ago
The cost of housing is so high because we prohibit building more of it! I helped a friend run for city council years ago at a time when almost everyone else on the council and the mayor were connected to the property or construction industries. They wanted more development because they got paid -- the cost of housing is high, so let's build more so we can make more money. This is what people who currently live in smaller suburbs or rural areas see as driving the push for more housing -- more greed from their corrupt city council.
- ZoomerCretin 5y ago
  In areas where supply is restricted by law, monoplex equity gains are 10-50x greater than developer profits. If you're attacking someone because of greed, the lion's share of the blame belongs with land speculators extracting ever-increasing unearned rents. You're mad because a business is making money? Developers increase the supply of housing. It's a net good that housing supply increases rather than stagnates.
- cheriot 5y ago
  > the cost of housing is high, so let's build more so we can make more money That's how markets are suppose to work. Make money by making something people want to buy. It shouldn't require a corrupt city council to have enough housing for everyone that works in an area. If you want to stop growth then prohibit office construction.
AnimalMuppet 5y ago
The ones who would enjoy it (and who go to Europe to find it) aren't the ones making public spaces inhospitable in the US.
- cheriot 5y ago
  Do the people you're complaining about not exist in other countries? Who are you referring to?

nitrogen 5y ago

The cost of housing is so high because we prohibit building more of it! I helped a friend run for city council years ago at a time when almost everyone else on the council and the mayor were connected to the property or construction industries. They wanted more development because they got paid -- the cost of housing is high, so let's build more so we can make more money. This is what people who currently live in smaller suburbs or rural areas see as driving the push for more housing -- more greed from their corrupt city council.

ZoomerCretin 5y ago
In areas where supply is restricted by law, monoplex equity gains are 10-50x greater than developer profits. If you're attacking someone because of greed, the lion's share of the blame belongs with land speculators extracting ever-increasing unearned rents. You're mad because a business is making money? Developers increase the supply of housing. It's a net good that housing supply increases rather than stagnates.
cheriot 5y ago
> the cost of housing is high, so let's build more so we can make more money That's how markets are suppose to work. Make money by making something people want to buy. It shouldn't require a corrupt city council to have enough housing for everyone that works in an area. If you want to stop growth then prohibit office construction.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

The ones who would enjoy it (and who go to Europe to find it) aren't the ones making public spaces inhospitable in the US.

cheriot 5y ago
Do the people you're complaining about not exist in other countries? Who are you referring to?