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Why wouldn't you oppose density? The issue is a prisoner's dilemma. Only a top-down heavy handed resolution can actually, well, resolve this problem. More hous

Why wouldn't you oppose density? The issue is a prisoner's dilemma. Only a top-down heavy handed resolution can actually, well, resolve this problem. More housing should certainly be built, but the YIMBY crowd ignores the inherent dis-incentives that one has towards more housing near them. People bring in the morality of more/cheap housing, which is fair enough, but isn't sufficient to get people to change their behavior.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
I don't know about that. More housing means more shops and restaurants within walking distance; it means it's more likely that bike lanes are created, and so on. If I want that kind of thing, then more housing helps me get it. > ... but isn't sufficient to get people to change their behavior. That may still be true, despite what I say here.
zip1234 5y ago
Yes, it the only fair way is to allow density everywhere. If it is spread out, it becomes much less.
- oxymoran 5y ago
  That doesn’t even make sense…density is allowed in a lot of rural places, there just isn’t demand for more. People that live in high density areas, want to live there because it’s a city. They aren’t going to want to put up with both living in a high density building and rural area because that’s the worst possible combination. But people put up with living in a high density area because of the benefits of a city and people put up with the inconvenience of rural area because of the space. They are kind of mutually exclusive ideas.
  - zip1234 5y ago
    My point is not about rural vs urban. Most of American lives in urban areas (4/5). My point is that it is illegal in most of the populated places in America to increase density at all. The end result is getting high rises in central places in major urban areas but no change at all anywhere else. If you could have all towns slowly grow up rather than jumping straight to high rises then density is a lot less scary.
RandallBrown 5y ago
I prefer density because of the things density brings with it. Things like bars, restaurants, public transit, shopping, sports etc. I don't want to drive to those things. I want to live among them.
- oxymoran 5y ago
  Makes sense when you are young for sure. Especially young and single and looking for a partner. That sort of stuff loses its tends to lose its luster when you are 40 married and have kids.
Karrot_Kream 5y ago
> Why wouldn't you oppose density? Not everyone dislikes density and not everyone is motivated by rising housing prices. People are different. It's why I find it so silly that US zoning has created a lifestyle monoculture through most of the US.
lijogdfljk 5y ago
Yea i've never quite understood this housing issue but i've always been confused why everyone wants to live so densely. I feel like as a country we should be spreading out, not huddling. But i also dislike living in cities, so maybe that's just me.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

I don't know about that. More housing means more shops and restaurants within walking distance; it means it's more likely that bike lanes are created, and so on. If I want that kind of thing, then more housing helps me get it. > ... but isn't sufficient to get people to change their behavior. That may still be true, despite what I say here.

zip1234 5y ago

Yes, it the only fair way is to allow density everywhere. If it is spread out, it becomes much less.

oxymoran 5y ago
That doesn’t even make sense…density is allowed in a lot of rural places, there just isn’t demand for more. People that live in high density areas, want to live there because it’s a city. They aren’t going to want to put up with both living in a high density building and rural area because that’s the worst possible combination. But people put up with living in a high density area because of the benefits of a city and people put up with the inconvenience of rural area because of the space. They are kind of mutually exclusive ideas.
- zip1234 5y ago
  My point is not about rural vs urban. Most of American lives in urban areas (4/5). My point is that it is illegal in most of the populated places in America to increase density at all. The end result is getting high rises in central places in major urban areas but no change at all anywhere else. If you could have all towns slowly grow up rather than jumping straight to high rises then density is a lot less scary.

RandallBrown 5y ago

I prefer density because of the things density brings with it. Things like bars, restaurants, public transit, shopping, sports etc. I don't want to drive to those things. I want to live among them.

oxymoran 5y ago
Makes sense when you are young for sure. Especially young and single and looking for a partner. That sort of stuff loses its tends to lose its luster when you are 40 married and have kids.

Karrot_Kream 5y ago

> Why wouldn't you oppose density? Not everyone dislikes density and not everyone is motivated by rising housing prices. People are different. It's why I find it so silly that US zoning has created a lifestyle monoculture through most of the US.

lijogdfljk 5y ago

Yea i've never quite understood this housing issue but i've always been confused why everyone wants to live so densely. I feel like as a country we should be spreading out, not huddling. But i also dislike living in cities, so maybe that's just me.