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Or just take responsibility. People will respect you for doing that and you will demonstrate leadership.

artificial 5y ago
Way more fun argument: Outages just, uh… uh… find a way.
melony 5y ago
And the guy who doesn't take responsibility gets promoted. Employees are not responsible for failures of management to set a good culture.
- tomrod 5y ago
  Not in healthy organizations, they don't.
  - foobiekr 5y ago
    You can work an entire career and maybe enjoy life in one healthy organization in that entire time even if you work in a variety of companies. It just isn't that common, though of course voicing the _ideals_ is very, very common.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Once you reach a certain size there are surprisingly few healthy organization, most of them turn into externalization engines with 4 beats per year.
    - tomrod 5y ago
      I love it when I share a mental model with someone in the wild.
- kortex 5y ago
  The Gervais/Peter Principle is alive and well in many orgs. That doesn't mean that when you have the prerogative to change the culture, you just give up. I realize that isn't an easy thing to do. Often the best bet is to just jump around till you find a company that isn't a cultural superfund site.
jrootabega 5y ago
Cynical/realist take: Take responsibility and then hope your bosses already love you, you can immediately both come with a way to prevent it from happening again, and convince them to give you the resources to implement it. Otherwise your responsibility is, unfortunately, just blood in the water for someone else to do all of that to protect the company against you and springboard their reputation on the descent of yours. There were already senior people scheming to take over your department from your bosses, now they have an excuse.
- mym1990 5y ago
  This seems like an absolutely horrid way of working or doing 'office politics'.
  - geekbird 5y ago
    Yes, and I personally have worked in environments that do just that. They said they didn't, but with management "personalities" plus stack ranking, you know damn well that they did.

Way more fun argument: Outages just, uh… uh… find a way.

And the guy who doesn't take responsibility gets promoted. Employees are not responsible for failures of management to set a good culture.

tomrod 5y ago
Not in healthy organizations, they don't.
- foobiekr 5y ago
  You can work an entire career and maybe enjoy life in one healthy organization in that entire time even if you work in a variety of companies. It just isn't that common, though of course voicing the _ideals_ is very, very common.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Once you reach a certain size there are surprisingly few healthy organization, most of them turn into externalization engines with 4 beats per year.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    I love it when I share a mental model with someone in the wild.
kortex 5y ago
The Gervais/Peter Principle is alive and well in many orgs. That doesn't mean that when you have the prerogative to change the culture, you just give up. I realize that isn't an easy thing to do. Often the best bet is to just jump around till you find a company that isn't a cultural superfund site.

jrootabega 5y ago

Cynical/realist take: Take responsibility and then hope your bosses already love you, you can immediately both come with a way to prevent it from happening again, and convince them to give you the resources to implement it. Otherwise your responsibility is, unfortunately, just blood in the water for someone else to do all of that to protect the company against you and springboard their reputation on the descent of yours. There were already senior people scheming to take over your department from your bosses, now they have an excuse.

mym1990 5y ago
This seems like an absolutely horrid way of working or doing 'office politics'.
- geekbird 5y ago
  Yes, and I personally have worked in environments that do just that. They said they didn't, but with management "personalities" plus stack ranking, you know damn well that they did.