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I don't know if others have experienced it, but I run a monitoring server from Hetzner and have daily issues with IPv6 latency and packet loss (edit: Finland DC

by mgbmtl 5y ago

I don't know if others have experienced it, but I run a monitoring server from Hetzner and have daily issues with IPv6 latency and packet loss (edit: Finland DC). I monitor 3 other IPv6 locations, the monitoring server will very randomly throw alerts, and only from Hetzner. Yet, when I opened a ticket, I was told it was the fault of the other providers, despite the mtr traces showing otherwise, and not having issues outside Hetzner. Hopefully more IPv6 users means that I won't be the only one impacted by those networking issues. I find IPv6 useful for servers that are not public-facing. They are firewalled of course, but it also means I can access them directly from home without hops or VPN (my home having a static IPv6 address).

grafelic 5y ago
I have seen the same latency problem (100-250ms) in Finland DC, but with IPv4.
- RF_Savage 5y ago
  Ah, so this is why my IRC shell in the Hetzner Helsinki DC had so much lag.
celsoazevedo 5y ago
I wouldn't use their Finland DC for anything serious. Peering isn't good and they seem to route a lot of the traffic via their Germany network. Both DCs in Germany are way better.
- freeflight 5y ago
  > Peering isn't good and they seem to route a lot of the traffic via their Germany network. Stuff like that always makes me wonder how much of it is down to the NSA being hooked straight into DE-CIX [0] via the German BND [1]. [0] https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/german-court-throws-out-de-cix-surveillance-case/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/german-court-thro... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization
  - loufe 5y ago
    Can somebody explain the government's defense in that case? "The court said DE-CIX could not cite article 10 of Germany’s Basic Law, which guarantees the privacy of communications, because the company was not directly affected by the BND operations." I honestly don't understand how an argument like that holds water.
    - freeflight 5y ago
      Easy; It wasn't DE-CIX privacy that was violated by BND operations, so DE-CIX can't sue against it. Germany is home to such super weird and reaching legal arguments. If you want another one, check out the BNDs "Space theory" [0] [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weltraumtheorie https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weltraumtheorie
  - mike_d 5y ago
    > Stuff like that always makes me wonder how much of it is down to the NSA being hooked straight into DE-CIX It has been long established in the datacenter industry that if you build a building in $wierdplace, it is far more beneficial to your bottom line to haul your own traffic to a major exchange point than to pay to have each carrier come to you. Further, everyone needs to stop worrying about the NSA. Yes they tap cables, no they don't care about what you ate for lunch. Dozens of countries monitor all traffic that crosses their borders, China does the same shit on all China Telecom owned fiber worldwide, other countries probably have fiber tap subs now, corporations will do it too if it makes them money. Encrypt your traffic, deploy TLS on sites you control, and stop trying to frame run of the mill networking decisions or any little issue you have on the internet on the hidden hand of espionage trying to steal your My Little Pony NFTs.
    - foepys 5y ago
      > It has been long established in the datacenter industry that if you build a building in $wierdplace, it is far more beneficial to your bottom line to haul your own traffic to a major exchange point than to pay to have each carrier come to you. Unless you have a large enough customer base and can pressure carriers into peering with you in weird places. Deutsche Telekom AG in Germany does not peer at DE-CIX because they just don't want to. It's also the reason why YouTube regularly stutters in the evening for DTAG customers.

by mgbmtl 5y ago

grafelic 5y ago

I have seen the same latency problem (100-250ms) in Finland DC, but with IPv4.

RF_Savage 5y ago
Ah, so this is why my IRC shell in the Hetzner Helsinki DC had so much lag.

celsoazevedo 5y ago

I wouldn't use their Finland DC for anything serious. Peering isn't good and they seem to route a lot of the traffic via their Germany network. Both DCs in Germany are way better.

freeflight 5y ago
> Peering isn't good and they seem to route a lot of the traffic via their Germany network. Stuff like that always makes me wonder how much of it is down to the NSA being hooked straight into DE-CIX [0] via the German BND [1]. [0] https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/german-court-throws-out-de-cix-surveillance-case/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/german-court-thro... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization
- loufe 5y ago
  Can somebody explain the government's defense in that case? "The court said DE-CIX could not cite article 10 of Germany’s Basic Law, which guarantees the privacy of communications, because the company was not directly affected by the BND operations." I honestly don't understand how an argument like that holds water.
  - freeflight 5y ago
    Easy; It wasn't DE-CIX privacy that was violated by BND operations, so DE-CIX can't sue against it. Germany is home to such super weird and reaching legal arguments. If you want another one, check out the BNDs "Space theory" [0] [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weltraumtheorie https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weltraumtheorie
- mike_d 5y ago
  > Stuff like that always makes me wonder how much of it is down to the NSA being hooked straight into DE-CIX It has been long established in the datacenter industry that if you build a building in $wierdplace, it is far more beneficial to your bottom line to haul your own traffic to a major exchange point than to pay to have each carrier come to you. Further, everyone needs to stop worrying about the NSA. Yes they tap cables, no they don't care about what you ate for lunch. Dozens of countries monitor all traffic that crosses their borders, China does the same shit on all China Telecom owned fiber worldwide, other countries probably have fiber tap subs now, corporations will do it too if it makes them money. Encrypt your traffic, deploy TLS on sites you control, and stop trying to frame run of the mill networking decisions or any little issue you have on the internet on the hidden hand of espionage trying to steal your My Little Pony NFTs.
  - foepys 5y ago
    > It has been long established in the datacenter industry that if you build a building in $wierdplace, it is far more beneficial to your bottom line to haul your own traffic to a major exchange point than to pay to have each carrier come to you. Unless you have a large enough customer base and can pressure carriers into peering with you in weird places. Deutsche Telekom AG in Germany does not peer at DE-CIX because they just don't want to. It's also the reason why YouTube regularly stutters in the evening for DTAG customers.