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One of the funniest things in American politics is that almost all uncritical support for Israel comes from the evangelical christians. For them, Israel is alwa

One of the funniest things in American politics is that almost all uncritical support for Israel comes from the evangelical christians. For them, Israel is always right, no matter what, and must be defended at all costs. The jew friends I have are way more balanced and critical of Israel human right abuses than the christians, who seems to feel that criticizing Israel is the same as denying its right to exist.

notsureaboutpg 5y ago
Agree with the other commenter. This isn't true. Most politicians on both sides of the aisle are way out of touch with the average American who is usually pretty critical of Israel, namely due to the shocking amount of aid we send them each year.
akatechis 5y ago
This is absolutely untrue. When you look at the political landscape, evangelicals have no power. And yet, when you look at any vote in Congress regarding Israeli issues, such as the recent vote to replenish the Iron Dome system, it was overwhelmingly voted in. The only "controversy" was the 3 or 4 people who objected initially, and were then bullied BY BOTH PARTIES into voting yes.
- istjohn 5y ago
  Evangelical Christians have enormous political power. That's why the last three appointees to the Supreme Court were vetted by pro-Life organizations and Roe v. Wade is in imminent danger.
  - akatechis 5y ago
    And yet, abortions continue to be legal everywhere. It's almost as if, the supreme court is there to just rubber stamp what the elite class of our country already dictates.
    - grlass 5y ago
      Perhaps you have not been keeping up with recent events such as the Texas Heartbeat Act 2021 [1], which makes most cases of abortion illegal in Texas. There are further policies planned in a similar vein. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      > And yet, abortions continue to be legal everywhere. This is expected to change shortly, due to those very same "three appointees to the Supreme Court". The assertion that "evangelicals have no power" in the US is simply silly.
    - breakfastduck 5y ago
      I'm not sure where you're getting that from
  - rory 5y ago
    Evangelicals Protestantism is the biggest religious category in the country (25%), yet no Supreme Court justice is Evangelical. By contrast, 6-7 are Catholic (21%) and 2 are Jewish (2%). That doesn't seem like enormous political power to me.
    - TheHypnotist 5y ago
      You don't have to be a politician to hold political power.
      - rory 5y ago
        By nature of being a whole lot of people, they do have a significant degree of power. That's how democracy is supposed to work. I'm just pointing out that the Supreme Court is a ridiculous example of this, as they are arguably the most underrepresented group there.
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        The Supreme Court includes a number of conservative Catholics, appointed by Presidents who were either evangelical Christian (Alito/Bush) or closely allied with them (Kavanaugh/Trump, Barrett/Trump), who tend to take positions on policies that are similar to that of evangelical Christians. Amy Coney Barrett may be Catholic, but she was heavily favored by evangelicals, with specific interest in overturning Roe v. Wade.
        rory 5y ago
        Indeed, they are a large voting base of an alliance of religious conservatives (along with Mormons, conservative Catholics, etc.) that is hyperfocused on that one issue, and so seemingly having some success on it. But it's not like Amy Coney Barrett is barely Catholic. She's been heavily involved in the church her whole life, and her career has been centered around a deeply Catholic university. She only represents Evangelicals in situations where their belief overlaps with those of the Catholic church.
  - hbarka 5y ago
    Exempt from disclosing lobbying efforts: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/07/gods-lobbyists/ https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/07/gods-lobbyists/
  - frankfrankfrank 5y ago
    Have you ever seen one of those art pieces where when you look at it from the front it looks like a jumbled mess of shapes, but when you walk around it, your perspective shifts to reveal a meaningful message or image? Imagine if rather than gaining its independence from the UK, the USA instead of becoming its own independent country, was still called the United States of America, but over time, in practice it had become totally servile, dependent on, psychologically submissive and subjugated to the British aristocracy that rules the UK and Americans worshipped them as demigods.
- orangepurple 5y ago
  This point is expanded upon in the video titled: "Cynthia McKinney US Lawmakers Forced to Sign Pledge to Support Israels"
frankfrankfrank 5y ago
You are edging close to questions you are not allowed to ask, let alone answers you will be allowed to discover, and surely not allowed to share. Let me put it this way, those "evangelicals" it sounds like you are blaming are actually victims of a certain type as part of the whole abused become abusers cycle. There is a scene in Til Kingdom Come, the PBS documentary that perfectly illustrates what is going on … people, utterly poor and destitute, in rural Kentucky having their children collect money, literally scraping together coins, to send it to Israel … and no Jewish person saying anything like "woah, hold on, you have nothing and we are immensely rich beyond your wildest dreams, you should invest that money in your own community" let alone maybe the Jewish community inverting things … to help those who are literally mentally subjugated to them like in Egyptian types where dirty slaves serve demigods rulers. But I have said enough and do not mean to draw the ire of the demigods. Forgive me if I have offended your sensibilities, beneficent masters, please do not take away my fake internet points or muzzle my voice with a digital curse or vaporize my account.
throwaway2077 5y ago
ah yes, of course, the notorious evangelical christian lobby whose only goal is unquestionable bipartisan support for Israel.
- pauldenton 5y ago
  They're not making anti Canada boycott laws. They're not making anti Mexico boycott laws. Its buy American. Or buy Israeli
- elzbardico 5y ago
  I didn't say that. I am not referring to the congress, where probably industrial military complex considerations are the main driver of the decisions. I am talking about the culture, the people at large. I can't see no other segment of civil society more vocal and passionate about Israels defense than some groups of evangelical christians, and this Texas law is just an example of that.
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joelbluminator 5y ago
Your jew friends are under quite some pressure to fit in and not come out as priviledged/zionist pigs/disloyal Americans/etc etc. It's not really an easy position to be in.

notsureaboutpg 5y ago

Agree with the other commenter. This isn't true. Most politicians on both sides of the aisle are way out of touch with the average American who is usually pretty critical of Israel, namely due to the shocking amount of aid we send them each year.

akatechis 5y ago

This is absolutely untrue. When you look at the political landscape, evangelicals have no power. And yet, when you look at any vote in Congress regarding Israeli issues, such as the recent vote to replenish the Iron Dome system, it was overwhelmingly voted in. The only "controversy" was the 3 or 4 people who objected initially, and were then bullied BY BOTH PARTIES into voting yes.

istjohn 5y ago
Evangelical Christians have enormous political power. That's why the last three appointees to the Supreme Court were vetted by pro-Life organizations and Roe v. Wade is in imminent danger.
- akatechis 5y ago
  And yet, abortions continue to be legal everywhere. It's almost as if, the supreme court is there to just rubber stamp what the elite class of our country already dictates.
  - grlass 5y ago
    Perhaps you have not been keeping up with recent events such as the Texas Heartbeat Act 2021 [1], which makes most cases of abortion illegal in Texas. There are further policies planned in a similar vein. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > And yet, abortions continue to be legal everywhere. This is expected to change shortly, due to those very same "three appointees to the Supreme Court". The assertion that "evangelicals have no power" in the US is simply silly.
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    I'm not sure where you're getting that from
- rory 5y ago
  Evangelicals Protestantism is the biggest religious category in the country (25%), yet no Supreme Court justice is Evangelical. By contrast, 6-7 are Catholic (21%) and 2 are Jewish (2%). That doesn't seem like enormous political power to me.
  - TheHypnotist 5y ago
    You don't have to be a politician to hold political power.
    - rory 5y ago
      By nature of being a whole lot of people, they do have a significant degree of power. That's how democracy is supposed to work. I'm just pointing out that the Supreme Court is a ridiculous example of this, as they are arguably the most underrepresented group there.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        The Supreme Court includes a number of conservative Catholics, appointed by Presidents who were either evangelical Christian (Alito/Bush) or closely allied with them (Kavanaugh/Trump, Barrett/Trump), who tend to take positions on policies that are similar to that of evangelical Christians. Amy Coney Barrett may be Catholic, but she was heavily favored by evangelicals, with specific interest in overturning Roe v. Wade.
        rory 5y ago
        Indeed, they are a large voting base of an alliance of religious conservatives (along with Mormons, conservative Catholics, etc.) that is hyperfocused on that one issue, and so seemingly having some success on it. But it's not like Amy Coney Barrett is barely Catholic. She's been heavily involved in the church her whole life, and her career has been centered around a deeply Catholic university. She only represents Evangelicals in situations where their belief overlaps with those of the Catholic church.
- hbarka 5y ago
  Exempt from disclosing lobbying efforts: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/07/gods-lobbyists/ https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/07/gods-lobbyists/
- frankfrankfrank 5y ago
  Have you ever seen one of those art pieces where when you look at it from the front it looks like a jumbled mess of shapes, but when you walk around it, your perspective shifts to reveal a meaningful message or image? Imagine if rather than gaining its independence from the UK, the USA instead of becoming its own independent country, was still called the United States of America, but over time, in practice it had become totally servile, dependent on, psychologically submissive and subjugated to the British aristocracy that rules the UK and Americans worshipped them as demigods.
orangepurple 5y ago
This point is expanded upon in the video titled: "Cynthia McKinney US Lawmakers Forced to Sign Pledge to Support Israels"

frankfrankfrank 5y ago

You are edging close to questions you are not allowed to ask, let alone answers you will be allowed to discover, and surely not allowed to share. Let me put it this way, those "evangelicals" it sounds like you are blaming are actually victims of a certain type as part of the whole abused become abusers cycle. There is a scene in Til Kingdom Come, the PBS documentary that perfectly illustrates what is going on … people, utterly poor and destitute, in rural Kentucky having their children collect money, literally scraping together coins, to send it to Israel … and no Jewish person saying anything like "woah, hold on, you have nothing and we are immensely rich beyond your wildest dreams, you should invest that money in your own community" let alone maybe the Jewish community inverting things … to help those who are literally mentally subjugated to them like in Egyptian types where dirty slaves serve demigods rulers. But I have said enough and do not mean to draw the ire of the demigods. Forgive me if I have offended your sensibilities, beneficent masters, please do not take away my fake internet points or muzzle my voice with a digital curse or vaporize my account.

throwaway2077 5y ago

ah yes, of course, the notorious evangelical christian lobby whose only goal is unquestionable bipartisan support for Israel.

pauldenton 5y ago
They're not making anti Canada boycott laws. They're not making anti Mexico boycott laws. Its buy American. Or buy Israeli
elzbardico 5y ago
I didn't say that. I am not referring to the congress, where probably industrial military complex considerations are the main driver of the decisions. I am talking about the culture, the people at large. I can't see no other segment of civil society more vocal and passionate about Israels defense than some groups of evangelical christians, and this Texas law is just an example of that.

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joelbluminator 5y ago

Your jew friends are under quite some pressure to fit in and not come out as priviledged/zionist pigs/disloyal Americans/etc etc. It's not really an easy position to be in.