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A lot of the people who get “cancelled” can reverse their behavior. You’re changing the definition of the new meaning of cancel culture by saying he can just st

A lot of the people who get “cancelled” can reverse their behavior. You’re changing the definition of the new meaning of cancel culture by saying he can just stop doing what he’s doing. The point should be no one should be cancelled just for doing things that others might not like while not being violent or advocating for it.

wccrawford 5y ago
"cancel culture" is about boycotting people for things they did in the past. Nobody can go back and change their past. Even if those people apologize and work to do better, they still get "cancelled" under cancel culture. My problem isn't with holding people responsible for their actions, but with never letting up on them. If people can't change and relieve the sanctions against them, they have no incentive to change. They might as well just keep doing whatever they were doing.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  Your comment shows no one agrees with what cancelling means. Usually it is all over exaggerated and is meant to fit into the person’s take for which side they are on. The number of people cancelled by “cancel culture” is so minute. Can you list at least a handful of people who apologized but still got cancelled? I assume that means remaining cancelled too. It’s silly to call someone cancelled if they just have less work for a year but don’t go homeless or on welfare, or into debt, etc. in my opinion.
MichaelRazum 5y ago
Ok lets make it goverment free. So basically you are saying: - He is allowed doing cancelling - But someone else isn't allowed to do it Strange..
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  I’m not sure what you are saying. I’m trying to understand.
  - MichaelRazum 5y ago
    Which point you don't undersand? I'm glad to help.
    - skinnymuch 5y ago
      Things I didn’t understand: - Taking out which Govt? - Who is the he who is allowed to cancel? What is this person cancelling? - Who is the some one else who is not allowed to cancel? If the last is referring to the Govt and big authority. That’s not cancelling. That’s authority and/or Govt overreach.
      - MichaelRazum 5y ago
        Hope this explains it - Taking out which Govt? I mean by that three parties. His company let name it A. Some Israeli Company let name it B and Govt let name it C. So let's just say there are real humans behind A, B and C. Now A is cancelling B (that is my understanding). In response C cancels A. - Who is the he who is allowed to cancel? What is this person cancelling? As I understand this person (A) is refusing service to Israeli companies. Actively participating at BDS. By that he is cancelling B. - Who is the some one else who is not allowed to cancel? I think now it should be clear. See above. It's C. So my assumption was that he actively participated at BDS and refused services to other companies. If that is false I take my argumentation back. But if not I don't see his reason to complain.
namelessoracle 5y ago
No? Most people who get cancelled have it happened for basically forever no matter what they did or what happened. Using a random example what is say Quinton Flynn supposed to do get uncancelled?
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  Most people? Can you name a handful of people this has happened to? I can name dozens of people who are supposedly cancelled [forever], when it isn’t really the case. This Quinton Flynn example from a quick search does appear to show a legit example of being screwed over by reactionary bullshit. Or what people call “cancel culture”. I don’t believe the way you’re portraying his situation and the evils of “cancelling” are anywhere close to as bad as they actually are. I feel for Flynn. His situation absolutely sucks. If in 2-3 years he still can’t get any work, yeah he got cancelled as the modern definition means. If he’s able to get work still soon. Then it isn’t cancelling. It’s getting screwed over with crappy reactionary people and unlucky bad rep even if it isn’t warranted. Something that has existed before this mobile and universal internet world. I can think of one example of what I consider real cancelling off the top of my head. There’s almost no sympathy or care for the person though.
  - namelessoracle 5y ago
    Please name some of the dozens, i am curious about counter examples?
    - skinnymuch 5y ago
      Chapelle, JK Rowling, Ellen, the Vogue editor in chief, conservative actors like Chris Pratt or Kirstie Alley. That’s 6. Looking up lists of cancelled people would turn up many more. Even more so. The egregiousness of how reactionary, angry, and so sure of injustice occurring for many of these non-cancel cancelling makes it seem even more absurd. Dave Chapelle being one of the most recent and hilarious examples. He’s still selling out every ticket. Netflix and other networks still want to pay him tens of millions. Actual cancelled famous people seem to be the rare exceptions.

wccrawford 5y ago

"cancel culture" is about boycotting people for things they did in the past. Nobody can go back and change their past. Even if those people apologize and work to do better, they still get "cancelled" under cancel culture. My problem isn't with holding people responsible for their actions, but with never letting up on them. If people can't change and relieve the sanctions against them, they have no incentive to change. They might as well just keep doing whatever they were doing.

skinnymuch 5y ago
Your comment shows no one agrees with what cancelling means. Usually it is all over exaggerated and is meant to fit into the person’s take for which side they are on. The number of people cancelled by “cancel culture” is so minute. Can you list at least a handful of people who apologized but still got cancelled? I assume that means remaining cancelled too. It’s silly to call someone cancelled if they just have less work for a year but don’t go homeless or on welfare, or into debt, etc. in my opinion.

MichaelRazum 5y ago

Ok lets make it goverment free. So basically you are saying: - He is allowed doing cancelling - But someone else isn't allowed to do it Strange..

skinnymuch 5y ago
I’m not sure what you are saying. I’m trying to understand.
- MichaelRazum 5y ago
  Which point you don't undersand? I'm glad to help.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    Things I didn’t understand: - Taking out which Govt? - Who is the he who is allowed to cancel? What is this person cancelling? - Who is the some one else who is not allowed to cancel? If the last is referring to the Govt and big authority. That’s not cancelling. That’s authority and/or Govt overreach.
    - MichaelRazum 5y ago
      Hope this explains it - Taking out which Govt? I mean by that three parties. His company let name it A. Some Israeli Company let name it B and Govt let name it C. So let's just say there are real humans behind A, B and C. Now A is cancelling B (that is my understanding). In response C cancels A. - Who is the he who is allowed to cancel? What is this person cancelling? As I understand this person (A) is refusing service to Israeli companies. Actively participating at BDS. By that he is cancelling B. - Who is the some one else who is not allowed to cancel? I think now it should be clear. See above. It's C. So my assumption was that he actively participated at BDS and refused services to other companies. If that is false I take my argumentation back. But if not I don't see his reason to complain.

namelessoracle 5y ago

No? Most people who get cancelled have it happened for basically forever no matter what they did or what happened. Using a random example what is say Quinton Flynn supposed to do get uncancelled?

skinnymuch 5y ago
Most people? Can you name a handful of people this has happened to? I can name dozens of people who are supposedly cancelled [forever], when it isn’t really the case. This Quinton Flynn example from a quick search does appear to show a legit example of being screwed over by reactionary bullshit. Or what people call “cancel culture”. I don’t believe the way you’re portraying his situation and the evils of “cancelling” are anywhere close to as bad as they actually are. I feel for Flynn. His situation absolutely sucks. If in 2-3 years he still can’t get any work, yeah he got cancelled as the modern definition means. If he’s able to get work still soon. Then it isn’t cancelling. It’s getting screwed over with crappy reactionary people and unlucky bad rep even if it isn’t warranted. Something that has existed before this mobile and universal internet world. I can think of one example of what I consider real cancelling off the top of my head. There’s almost no sympathy or care for the person though.
- namelessoracle 5y ago
  Please name some of the dozens, i am curious about counter examples?
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    Chapelle, JK Rowling, Ellen, the Vogue editor in chief, conservative actors like Chris Pratt or Kirstie Alley. That’s 6. Looking up lists of cancelled people would turn up many more. Even more so. The egregiousness of how reactionary, angry, and so sure of injustice occurring for many of these non-cancel cancelling makes it seem even more absurd. Dave Chapelle being one of the most recent and hilarious examples. He’s still selling out every ticket. Netflix and other networks still want to pay him tens of millions. Actual cancelled famous people seem to be the rare exceptions.