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sure. i know hedgefunds and banks that critically relly on a lot of permissive-licensed software and develop heavily on that code base. conversely, they wouldn'

sure. i know hedgefunds and banks that critically relly on a lot of permissive-licensed software and develop heavily on that code base. conversely, they wouldn't touch copyleft software with a 10 ft pole one of the other posters also mentioned CUDA's reliance on LLVM. i think that is a very good example also

nix23 5y ago
So you think they would choose GPL-Code because that one component is so immensely good that you can take over the world?
- medo-bear 5y ago
  take the example of nvidia and their use of llvm in nvcc[0]. if llvm used a copyleft license, nvidia would either need to invest into an effort to replace llvm (a huge undertaking), or have cuda released under a free license. given the importance of cuda in parallel data computation, as well as nvidia's monopoly in the machine learning community, i think a copyleft license would have made a world of difference [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_CUDA_Compiler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_CUDA_Compiler
  - nix23 5y ago
    >nvidia would either need to invest into an effort to replace llvm No they would buy a license for one of the hundreds proprietary compilers, and you will eat their dogfood like you do today with cuda itself. >or have cuda released under a free license. Dreamer...it's nvidia....you know the ones with the "driver" that runs with the GPLv2 kernel.
    - medo-bear 5y ago
      > Dreamer ... i thought you said you are a hippy anyway at this point everything becomes hypothetical. however what is certain is that copyleft licenses could make life much more difficult for monopoly companies than permissive licenses, and i am ok with that, just as i am ok with FSF being agressive about matters pertaining to software freedom. could they have a better and more effective approach, i dont know. maybe. i am not involved in any shape or form with them, but i guess that right now they have my support
      - nix23 5y ago
        I said i like free flowers...flowers without a contract attached to it. FSF can be as aggressive as they want, they will not change anything...quite the opposite actually.
        medo-bear 5y ago
        > they will not change anything they exist for over 35 years now. are you sure they haven't achieved anything? :)

nix23 5y ago

So you think they would choose GPL-Code because that one component is so immensely good that you can take over the world?

medo-bear 5y ago
take the example of nvidia and their use of llvm in nvcc[0]. if llvm used a copyleft license, nvidia would either need to invest into an effort to replace llvm (a huge undertaking), or have cuda released under a free license. given the importance of cuda in parallel data computation, as well as nvidia's monopoly in the machine learning community, i think a copyleft license would have made a world of difference [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_CUDA_Compiler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_CUDA_Compiler
- nix23 5y ago
  >nvidia would either need to invest into an effort to replace llvm No they would buy a license for one of the hundreds proprietary compilers, and you will eat their dogfood like you do today with cuda itself. >or have cuda released under a free license. Dreamer...it's nvidia....you know the ones with the "driver" that runs with the GPLv2 kernel.
  - medo-bear 5y ago
    > Dreamer ... i thought you said you are a hippy anyway at this point everything becomes hypothetical. however what is certain is that copyleft licenses could make life much more difficult for monopoly companies than permissive licenses, and i am ok with that, just as i am ok with FSF being agressive about matters pertaining to software freedom. could they have a better and more effective approach, i dont know. maybe. i am not involved in any shape or form with them, but i guess that right now they have my support
    - nix23 5y ago
      I said i like free flowers...flowers without a contract attached to it. FSF can be as aggressive as they want, they will not change anything...quite the opposite actually.
      - medo-bear 5y ago
        > they will not change anything they exist for over 35 years now. are you sure they haven't achieved anything? :)