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Similar laws exclude those who discriminate against blacks for political (or any other) reasons from government contracts. This person is entitled to discrimina

Similar laws exclude those who discriminate against blacks for political (or any other) reasons from government contracts. This person is entitled to discriminate as he chooses, but not to get government contracts.

Guessnotgauss 5y ago
Yeah but this is a foriegn government. That government should not dictate how we run our government at all. There should be no bias in domestic policy based on a foriegn actors dictates. What if this were Taiwan. The story would be very different .
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > What if this were Taiwan. The story would be very different . Please, people are way more sympathetic towards Taiwan than to Israel or Jews in general. The US government basically ensure's Taiwan's safety and independence, if it were up to half the people in the US, Israel would cease to exist (and there's no need to say what would happen to the Jews who currently live there, no matter what you believe about their right to be there).
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > The US government basically ensure's Taiwan's safety and independence Israel's setup is quite similar. > if it were up to half the people in the US, Israel would cease to exist https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2021/05/19/israel-and-palestinians-where-do-americas-sympathi https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-repor... "Most Americans believe helping to protect Israel should be an important goal of American policy toward the Middle East. On this, Democrats (59%), Republicans (64%), and Independents (79%) agree. However, the latest Economist/YouGov poll underscores the differences in opinions about Israel between Republicans and Democrats." That's a pretty far cry from what you're asserting.
  - pauldenton 5y ago
    Are American agencies even allowed to recognize Taiwan after 1971, and UN General Assembly Resolution No. 2758?
emptyfile 5y ago
Except Israeli is a legal citizenship not a skin color.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  I'm of the opinion that anti-BDS laws are unconstitutional, but: The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. You cannot discriminate against an Israeli on the basis of either. You can discriminate against Israel as a state.
  - smegsicle 5y ago
    national origin is different from active citizenship though, isn't it?
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/employee-rights-and-resources/preventing-discrimination https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/employee-rights-and-resour... > A part of the Immigration and Nationality Act, found at 8 U.S.C. section 1324b, prohibits employers from discriminating against individuals based on their citizenship or immigration status, or their national origin, during the hiring, firing, recruiting, Form I-9, or E-Verify processes. > Employers cannot discriminate against individuals when hiring, firing, or recruiting based on the individual’s place of birth, country of origin, ancestry, native language, accent, or because they are perceived as looking or sounding “foreign.” > Employers cannot discriminate against individuals when hiring, firing, or recruiting because the individuals are or are not U.S. citizens, or because of their immigration status or type of employment authorization. U.S. citizens, noncitizen nationals, asylees, refugees, and recent permanent residents are protected from this type of discrimination. There are exceptions if you're, say, working on ICBMs.
dustintrex 5y ago
There is a world of difference between actively discriminating against American citizens with a certain skin tone, and being told that you cannot "protest [!] the nation of Israel or its products".
VHRanger 5y ago
There's a difference between "Jews" and "Israel" If you can't see that before spewing out your hot take we can't help you
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  So all the companies who support BDS are hiring Jews, right?
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    I'm quite certain the ACLU employs some.
    - Mikeb85 5y ago
      > While we take no position on Israel boycotts, the BDS movement, or Israel-Palestine From: https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-letter-opposing-s-1-combating-bds-act https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-letter-opposing-s-1-combati...
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        They support the right to engage in the boycott. If you prefer, the "Jews for Peace" organization probably employ at least one Jew.
sixQuarks 5y ago
How is protesting a nation’s policies similar to discrimination?
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Boycotting Israeli companies (read Jewish as I'm sure he has no problem sending money to Israeli companies ran by Palestinians ie. Muslims) is automatically associating every Israeli Jew with government policies. Boycotting Israel is a dog-whistle for boycotting Israeli Jews.
  - unmole 5y ago
    > Boycotting Israel is a dog-whistle for boycotting Israeli Jews. There are more people with Jewish ancestry in the United States than Israel. The state of Israel does not represent the Jews of the world.
  - jatone 5y ago
    last i knew palentinians had no real political power in israeli and their treatment by the israeli government is precisely why you would boycott israeli goods and services.
yardie 5y ago
I’m not seeing similarities between what this article is talking about and whatever you are talking about. Please elaborate?
mattzito 5y ago
Oof. I’m very sympathetic to the complexities around the BDS movement, but this is a pretty challenging take to get behind. Discrimination against blacks is illegal in the context of denying individuals things like employment, access to housing and medical care, shopping, etc. You have to show that the individual or business has specifically taken action in some way to deny one or more individuals their rights. In fact, the same rules apply to discrimination based on religion, or national origin or background. So anyone who has discriminated against someone who is Jewish or from Israel is subject to similar liability. But nowhere in any of these laws does it say that a business has to promise to never protest or disagree with the country that one of those groups come from. I have to hire people from France if they’re qualified, but I’m also allowed to protest the French government’s policies on basically anything. If the law from this article was applied to, say, Saudi Arabia or Mexico, would we be comfortable supporting it?
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > I have to hire people from France if they’re qualified, Keep this in mind. > but I’m also allowed to protest the French government’s policies on basically anything. So are you allowed to protest the French government by boycotting French companies? Ie. not doing business with French people? The first half of your sentence is directly at odds with the second. How do you actually boycott France if not by applying the boycott to it's people? The Israeli boycott isn't simply saying you don't agree with their government, it's actively boycotting companies run by Israeli Jews and not hiring Israeli Jews.
  - istjohn 5y ago
    > The Israeli boycott isn't simply saying you don't agree with their government, it's actively boycotting companies run by Israeli Jews and not hiring Israeli Jews. That's simply not true. The Texas law does not say anything about boycotts against Jews. And BDS is modeled after the successful Apartheid boycotts, which were boycotts of South Africa, not boycotts of companies run by White South Africans.
    - 5y ago

Guessnotgauss 5y ago

Yeah but this is a foriegn government. That government should not dictate how we run our government at all. There should be no bias in domestic policy based on a foriegn actors dictates. What if this were Taiwan. The story would be very different .

Mikeb85 5y ago
> What if this were Taiwan. The story would be very different . Please, people are way more sympathetic towards Taiwan than to Israel or Jews in general. The US government basically ensure's Taiwan's safety and independence, if it were up to half the people in the US, Israel would cease to exist (and there's no need to say what would happen to the Jews who currently live there, no matter what you believe about their right to be there).
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > The US government basically ensure's Taiwan's safety and independence Israel's setup is quite similar. > if it were up to half the people in the US, Israel would cease to exist https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2021/05/19/israel-and-palestinians-where-do-americas-sympathi https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-repor... "Most Americans believe helping to protect Israel should be an important goal of American policy toward the Middle East. On this, Democrats (59%), Republicans (64%), and Independents (79%) agree. However, the latest Economist/YouGov poll underscores the differences in opinions about Israel between Republicans and Democrats." That's a pretty far cry from what you're asserting.
- pauldenton 5y ago
  Are American agencies even allowed to recognize Taiwan after 1971, and UN General Assembly Resolution No. 2758?

emptyfile 5y ago

Except Israeli is a legal citizenship not a skin color.

ceejayoz 5y ago
I'm of the opinion that anti-BDS laws are unconstitutional, but: The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. You cannot discriminate against an Israeli on the basis of either. You can discriminate against Israel as a state.
- smegsicle 5y ago
  national origin is different from active citizenship though, isn't it?
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/employee-rights-and-resources/preventing-discrimination https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/employee-rights-and-resour... > A part of the Immigration and Nationality Act, found at 8 U.S.C. section 1324b, prohibits employers from discriminating against individuals based on their citizenship or immigration status, or their national origin, during the hiring, firing, recruiting, Form I-9, or E-Verify processes. > Employers cannot discriminate against individuals when hiring, firing, or recruiting based on the individual’s place of birth, country of origin, ancestry, native language, accent, or because they are perceived as looking or sounding “foreign.” > Employers cannot discriminate against individuals when hiring, firing, or recruiting because the individuals are or are not U.S. citizens, or because of their immigration status or type of employment authorization. U.S. citizens, noncitizen nationals, asylees, refugees, and recent permanent residents are protected from this type of discrimination. There are exceptions if you're, say, working on ICBMs.

dustintrex 5y ago

There is a world of difference between actively discriminating against American citizens with a certain skin tone, and being told that you cannot "protest [!] the nation of Israel or its products".

VHRanger 5y ago

There's a difference between "Jews" and "Israel" If you can't see that before spewing out your hot take we can't help you

Mikeb85 5y ago
So all the companies who support BDS are hiring Jews, right?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  I'm quite certain the ACLU employs some.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    > While we take no position on Israel boycotts, the BDS movement, or Israel-Palestine From: https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-letter-opposing-s-1-combating-bds-act https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-letter-opposing-s-1-combati...
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      They support the right to engage in the boycott. If you prefer, the "Jews for Peace" organization probably employ at least one Jew.

sixQuarks 5y ago

How is protesting a nation’s policies similar to discrimination?

Mikeb85 5y ago
Boycotting Israeli companies (read Jewish as I'm sure he has no problem sending money to Israeli companies ran by Palestinians ie. Muslims) is automatically associating every Israeli Jew with government policies. Boycotting Israel is a dog-whistle for boycotting Israeli Jews.
- unmole 5y ago
  > Boycotting Israel is a dog-whistle for boycotting Israeli Jews. There are more people with Jewish ancestry in the United States than Israel. The state of Israel does not represent the Jews of the world.
- jatone 5y ago
  last i knew palentinians had no real political power in israeli and their treatment by the israeli government is precisely why you would boycott israeli goods and services.

yardie 5y ago

I’m not seeing similarities between what this article is talking about and whatever you are talking about. Please elaborate?

mattzito 5y ago

Oof. I’m very sympathetic to the complexities around the BDS movement, but this is a pretty challenging take to get behind. Discrimination against blacks is illegal in the context of denying individuals things like employment, access to housing and medical care, shopping, etc. You have to show that the individual or business has specifically taken action in some way to deny one or more individuals their rights. In fact, the same rules apply to discrimination based on religion, or national origin or background. So anyone who has discriminated against someone who is Jewish or from Israel is subject to similar liability. But nowhere in any of these laws does it say that a business has to promise to never protest or disagree with the country that one of those groups come from. I have to hire people from France if they’re qualified, but I’m also allowed to protest the French government’s policies on basically anything. If the law from this article was applied to, say, Saudi Arabia or Mexico, would we be comfortable supporting it?

Mikeb85 5y ago
> I have to hire people from France if they’re qualified, Keep this in mind. > but I’m also allowed to protest the French government’s policies on basically anything. So are you allowed to protest the French government by boycotting French companies? Ie. not doing business with French people? The first half of your sentence is directly at odds with the second. How do you actually boycott France if not by applying the boycott to it's people? The Israeli boycott isn't simply saying you don't agree with their government, it's actively boycotting companies run by Israeli Jews and not hiring Israeli Jews.
- istjohn 5y ago
  > The Israeli boycott isn't simply saying you don't agree with their government, it's actively boycotting companies run by Israeli Jews and not hiring Israeli Jews. That's simply not true. The Texas law does not say anything about boycotts against Jews. And BDS is modeled after the successful Apartheid boycotts, which were boycotts of South Africa, not boycotts of companies run by White South Africans.
  - 5y ago