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Hehe same here. I always feel like I have been living under a rock when a page like this gets pushed to HN.

marginalia_nu 5y ago
It largely consists of a community of people eschewing social media and the big platforms. You'll see it pop up here and there, but a lot of the reason you aren't seeing it a lot is quite intentional. Much of the content isn't even published on the clearnet, instead only accessible over Gopher or Gemini. It's a hodge-podge of punk, DIY, bohemian, counter-cultural weirdos of every flavor. Poets and unabombers and lovers and shitposters.
- nomemory 5y ago
  This guy summarised the community well. I wouldn't go that far to call them unabombers though. Some of them might have some radical ideas regarding the way software should be written. But that's it.
  - marginalia_nu 5y ago
    I did actually find a site that basically boiled down to "Ted Kazinski Was Right And Here Is Why". But I mean more the whole RMS vibe some people are rocking.
    - thewakalix 5y ago
      "Proprietary software and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."
    - handrous 5y ago
      > I did actually find a site that basically boiled down to "Ted Kazinski Was Right And Here Is Why". That's not a terribly uncommon sentiment. Usually people mean the manifesto, not the part where he bombed people.
- southerntofu 5y ago
  > Much of the content isn't even published on the clearnet, instead only accessible over Gopher or Gemini. How is gopher or gemini not "clearnet"? Gopher doesn't even have any encryption (gemini uses TLS). Seriously though, i find it weird that everything Google/Facebook doesn't link you to is considered "darknet" nowadays.
  - marginalia_nu 5y ago
    Clearnet as opposed to deep web, not dark web.
    - southerntofu 5y ago
      What difference do you make between those? From my perspective, they're just marketing lingo invented by security vendors, intelligence agencies and cheap journalists. EDIT: Is my mailbox darkweb or deepweb? What about LAN services? Torrents? Is anything not available on HTTP and public DNS not "clearnet"?
      - detaro 5y ago
        if included in such definitions, your mailbox would be deepweb (if you access it through a standard web browser), since it can't be found just by following links.
        webmaven 5y ago
        > if included in such definitions, your mailbox would be deepweb (if you access it through a standard web browser), since it can't be found just by following links. A mailing list that didn't have web-accessible archives would qualify. Arguably, so would a list that had archives that just weren't crawlable.
        detaro 5y ago
        A mailing list that doesn't have web-accessible archives is not *web at all. If the archives are web-accessible but protected/hidden, deepweb.

It largely consists of a community of people eschewing social media and the big platforms. You'll see it pop up here and there, but a lot of the reason you aren't seeing it a lot is quite intentional. Much of the content isn't even published on the clearnet, instead only accessible over Gopher or Gemini. It's a hodge-podge of punk, DIY, bohemian, counter-cultural weirdos of every flavor. Poets and unabombers and lovers and shitposters.

nomemory 5y ago
This guy summarised the community well. I wouldn't go that far to call them unabombers though. Some of them might have some radical ideas regarding the way software should be written. But that's it.
- marginalia_nu 5y ago
  I did actually find a site that basically boiled down to "Ted Kazinski Was Right And Here Is Why". But I mean more the whole RMS vibe some people are rocking.
  - thewakalix 5y ago
    "Proprietary software and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."
  - handrous 5y ago
    > I did actually find a site that basically boiled down to "Ted Kazinski Was Right And Here Is Why". That's not a terribly uncommon sentiment. Usually people mean the manifesto, not the part where he bombed people.
southerntofu 5y ago
> Much of the content isn't even published on the clearnet, instead only accessible over Gopher or Gemini. How is gopher or gemini not "clearnet"? Gopher doesn't even have any encryption (gemini uses TLS). Seriously though, i find it weird that everything Google/Facebook doesn't link you to is considered "darknet" nowadays.
- marginalia_nu 5y ago
  Clearnet as opposed to deep web, not dark web.
  - southerntofu 5y ago
    What difference do you make between those? From my perspective, they're just marketing lingo invented by security vendors, intelligence agencies and cheap journalists. EDIT: Is my mailbox darkweb or deepweb? What about LAN services? Torrents? Is anything not available on HTTP and public DNS not "clearnet"?
    - detaro 5y ago
      if included in such definitions, your mailbox would be deepweb (if you access it through a standard web browser), since it can't be found just by following links.
      - webmaven 5y ago
        > if included in such definitions, your mailbox would be deepweb (if you access it through a standard web browser), since it can't be found just by following links. A mailing list that didn't have web-accessible archives would qualify. Arguably, so would a list that had archives that just weren't crawlable.
        detaro 5y ago
        A mailing list that doesn't have web-accessible archives is not *web at all. If the archives are web-accessible but protected/hidden, deepweb.