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> and this is new, how? The web is not decentralized today. We are routing vast majority of web traffic through a handful of monopolies that control all forms

> and this is new, how? The web is not decentralized today. We are routing vast majority of web traffic through a handful of monopolies that control all forms of monetization that don't involve crypto. Google + Facebook own the ad market. Paypal owns the payments market and where they aren't, VISA + MasterCard are used directly. We have seen deplatforming, censorship, antitrust behavior, price fixing, shadow banning, mass propaganda, sentiment manipulation, and more from these monopoly powers and some people are trying to make it better through novel monetization mechanisms that are open source, censorship resistant, decentralized, autonomous, and cryptographically verifiable. What's your big idea for dealing with the above? >and that should tempt me, why? Probably won't because snarky replies like that imply that you lack psychological openness and creativity. >anyway, it's kinda required by the law that you don't sell everything to everybody.. No, it's not. It is perfectly okay to sell food to anyone. It's okay to sell clothes to anyone. It's okay to sell books to anyone, etc. For the vast majority of products and services, it is truly okay to sell to them without knowing anything about them. This is the de facto state of retail commerce. >because you know, conversion rates are gonna be the last of your problem if you end up in jail. I live in a western democracy with constitutional protection. It is perfectly okay to sell products and services to people without discriminating. In fact, discrimination is what gets you into legal trouble. Unless I'm selling firearms, pharmaceuticals, controlled substances, etc. it is really okay my dude. >who's paying me for all this work I need to do? When you create a self-owned endeavor, whether that be a lemonade stand or a personal web ecommerce store, you are the one who accepts the risk that you won't get paid. That's called a business my dude. >using the same concept of uptime, google search has 100% uptime over the past 23 years... No, it doesn't. Meanwhile Google Search is closed source software for which you have absolutely no visibility into. Google Search isn't a deterministic cryptographic computation engine. It's a manipulated, censored, monopoly-owned search engine that propels its own products and services to the top. It is designed to get you to click on paid ads. That's its purpose. Meanwhile your data, including intimate details about your personal life, is mined via AI and re-sold to the highest bidder.

daoismyname 5y ago
> The web is not decentralized today. We are routing vast majority of web traffic through a handful of monopolies that control all forms of monetization THAT'S NOT THE WEB! I also reject the claim that they represent the vast majority of the traffic > No, it's not. It is perfectly okay to sell food to anyone but it's not OK to sell any kind of food, clothes, or any other product. so I want to know who's selling the food to me. suppose I buy some food from you and end up in the ER to get my stomach pumped. Who is responsible? what's their name and address? > it is really okay my dude. can you sell dog meat? and what makes web3 better since it would allow it with no consequences? > Google Search isn't a deterministic cryptographic computation engine so what? do you really think google is not using every trick in the book to keep their search engine running? (including decentralization) do you really think that "decentralization" means no downtime, because MAGIC? > It's a manipulated, censored, monopoly-owned search engine that propels its own products and services to the top. web3 is THE PRODUCT so some uber rich entity can amass more coins, without any regulation sounds better to you? > What's your big idea for dealing with the above? alternative real platforms, not alternative dream platforms. GNU Taler IMO is a better option for people looking for anonymity and it works with the current system, not against it. But, again, there is no money in Taker, no going to the moon, no pump and dump, no get rich quick. If you were looking for a solution, you'll invest in something more like Taker than web3, and yet... but seriously, taking a stance against those actions through political means, it has orders of magnitude more chances of success. because if you think that what's censored today will be tolerated tomorrow because CRYPTO you're delusional. ANYWAY you have not answered my question: why would I go through all those lengths to run a web site, while today gitlab pages is free and works as intended? if you think that the proposition of crypto is (unproven) resistance to censorship, than you should sell the solution to those that have been censored, not to me. why are you selling to the general public something that has no value for the general public (and would cost them more)? my feeling is that the people who would be interested in it are not the kind of people you would make business with or there's literally no money to be made (I doubt helping Tibetan people is interesting enough for crypto maniacs, they aren't rich and are not interested in making money)...

daoismyname 5y ago

> The web is not decentralized today. We are routing vast majority of web traffic through a handful of monopolies that control all forms of monetization THAT'S NOT THE WEB! I also reject the claim that they represent the vast majority of the traffic > No, it's not. It is perfectly okay to sell food to anyone but it's not OK to sell any kind of food, clothes, or any other product. so I want to know who's selling the food to me. suppose I buy some food from you and end up in the ER to get my stomach pumped. Who is responsible? what's their name and address? > it is really okay my dude. can you sell dog meat? and what makes web3 better since it would allow it with no consequences? > Google Search isn't a deterministic cryptographic computation engine so what? do you really think google is not using every trick in the book to keep their search engine running? (including decentralization) do you really think that "decentralization" means no downtime, because MAGIC? > It's a manipulated, censored, monopoly-owned search engine that propels its own products and services to the top. web3 is THE PRODUCT so some uber rich entity can amass more coins, without any regulation sounds better to you? > What's your big idea for dealing with the above? alternative real platforms, not alternative dream platforms. GNU Taler IMO is a better option for people looking for anonymity and it works with the current system, not against it. But, again, there is no money in Taker, no going to the moon, no pump and dump, no get rich quick. If you were looking for a solution, you'll invest in something more like Taker than web3, and yet... but seriously, taking a stance against those actions through political means, it has orders of magnitude more chances of success. because if you think that what's censored today will be tolerated tomorrow because CRYPTO you're delusional. ANYWAY you have not answered my question: why would I go through all those lengths to run a web site, while today gitlab pages is free and works as intended? if you think that the proposition of crypto is (unproven) resistance to censorship, than you should sell the solution to those that have been censored, not to me. why are you selling to the general public something that has no value for the general public (and would cost them more)? my feeling is that the people who would be interested in it are not the kind of people you would make business with or there's literally no money to be made (I doubt helping Tibetan people is interesting enough for crypto maniacs, they aren't rich and are not interested in making money)...