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How do robots impede people with disabilities? People are just making up scenarios as an excuse to oppose something new and unfamiliar. This all strikes me as c

by namlem 5y ago

How do robots impede people with disabilities? People are just making up scenarios as an excuse to oppose something new and unfamiliar. This all strikes me as completely dishonest. If you want to avoid obstruction, just fine the owners of the robots when they obstruct the sidewalk.

Darvon 5y ago
If a wheelchair and a robot cross paths, the robot isn't trained to give way I assume.
coldacid 5y ago
NIMBY nonsense is nothing new to Toronto city council. And dumb articles like this are nothing new to the CBC, either.
canucker2016 5y ago
from https://www.blogto.com/tech/2021/12/delivery-robots-toronto-ban-sidewalks/ https://www.blogto.com/tech/2021/12/delivery-robots-toronto-... : For those who are vision or mobility impaired in particular, the bots can provide a tripping hazard or physical obstacle, groups like the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act Alliance argue, calling tools like Geoffrey a "a substantial and worrisome new disability barrier impeding people with disabilities in their safe use of public sidewalks and other paths of travel." I'd expect that the oblivious-to-surroundings-until-last-moment-smartphone user would also be likely to trip over these tiny pink delivery robots. Their occasional glance up from their precious smartphone to check for incoming items works for human-sized objects approaching the smartphone user but would most likely miss these one-foot-high delivery bots.
908B64B197 5y ago
I was surprised at how hostile Canadian cities are for accessibility, until I found out that there's no equivalent to the ADA[0] over there. Something like half the subway stations in Toronto are simply impossible to use for someone in a wheelchair for instance. I wonder if this ban isn't to give the impression that those in charge are "doing something". It's cheaper to ban a few startups than it is to retrofit stations were engineered to keep handicapped people away. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Ac...
- FranksTV 5y ago
  We absolutely do have accessibility legislation, so not sure where you're getting the idea we don't. The TTC is gradually adding elevators to old subways where possible (same as New York is) and all new construction for the past 30 years or so has been fully accessible.

by namlem 5y ago

Darvon 5y ago

If a wheelchair and a robot cross paths, the robot isn't trained to give way I assume.

coldacid 5y ago

NIMBY nonsense is nothing new to Toronto city council. And dumb articles like this are nothing new to the CBC, either.

canucker2016 5y ago

from https://www.blogto.com/tech/2021/12/delivery-robots-toronto-ban-sidewalks/ https://www.blogto.com/tech/2021/12/delivery-robots-toronto-... : For those who are vision or mobility impaired in particular, the bots can provide a tripping hazard or physical obstacle, groups like the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act Alliance argue, calling tools like Geoffrey a "a substantial and worrisome new disability barrier impeding people with disabilities in their safe use of public sidewalks and other paths of travel." I'd expect that the oblivious-to-surroundings-until-last-moment-smartphone user would also be likely to trip over these tiny pink delivery robots. Their occasional glance up from their precious smartphone to check for incoming items works for human-sized objects approaching the smartphone user but would most likely miss these one-foot-high delivery bots.

908B64B197 5y ago

I was surprised at how hostile Canadian cities are for accessibility, until I found out that there's no equivalent to the ADA[0] over there. Something like half the subway stations in Toronto are simply impossible to use for someone in a wheelchair for instance. I wonder if this ban isn't to give the impression that those in charge are "doing something". It's cheaper to ban a few startups than it is to retrofit stations were engineered to keep handicapped people away. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Ac...

FranksTV 5y ago
We absolutely do have accessibility legislation, so not sure where you're getting the idea we don't. The TTC is gradually adding elevators to old subways where possible (same as New York is) and all new construction for the past 30 years or so has been fully accessible.