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>> The assumption and social contract was the page is sent to you with ads and you take in all of it This is the antithesis of what I want the internet to be,

>> The assumption and social contract was the page is sent to you with ads and you take in all of it This is the antithesis of what I want the internet to be, so opt me out of that, please, because I'm going to come hither and taketh in that which I care to taketh in, that and nothing else.

account42 5y ago
People forget that browsers are called user agents because they are supposed to operate on behalf of the user. That includes displaying the content how the user wants it and not how the server operator wants it.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  Exactly! The browser exists to serve us, not to enable some company's abusive business model.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    I’d still be interested to know if you would be fine with pirating/getting around all paywalls and all SaaS app logins, and all other paid online things with the basis of the browser is there to serve us. Whenever this stuff comes up on HN. there’s the initial bits of anti ad self righteousness but never a continuation to see if the general ethos continues outside ads. My purpose of all this is to point out the inherent hypocrisy. Not every ad has spyware or adware. Are those ads unblocked? No. I understand it would take far too much time to unblock specific ads. Which doesn’t help the point of being morally in the right. Same with disagreeing with being able to crack/pirate all paywalls and SaaS subscriptions, et al. If the browser is to serve you.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    Right. So if there comes a day soon where every single online subscription service and SaaS is able to be used for free, we should be able to use all of it for free. The browsers exist to serve us. Not what some view as abusive business models.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  Aren’t computers mean to be used the way the computer owner and user wants it to be used? Then there should be no problem for HNers who block all ads if hypothetically some situation comes out where all paid software and SaaS is able to be used freely on a person’s computing device. Since they should operate on the person’s behalf. I doubt most HNers who directly or indirectly work on software/SaaS/apps, and live off that income, would be cool with this.
skinnymuch 5y ago
Sure that’s cool. If you develop software for a company. Or any one you know develops software and charges for it. I hope you’re equally okay with you or your friends livelihoods going away if all people decide to think like you and find charging for any software to be the antithesis of what. They want the world to be. Usually this isn’t the case.

account42 5y ago

People forget that browsers are called user agents because they are supposed to operate on behalf of the user. That includes displaying the content how the user wants it and not how the server operator wants it.

matheusmoreira 5y ago
Exactly! The browser exists to serve us, not to enable some company's abusive business model.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  I’d still be interested to know if you would be fine with pirating/getting around all paywalls and all SaaS app logins, and all other paid online things with the basis of the browser is there to serve us. Whenever this stuff comes up on HN. there’s the initial bits of anti ad self righteousness but never a continuation to see if the general ethos continues outside ads. My purpose of all this is to point out the inherent hypocrisy. Not every ad has spyware or adware. Are those ads unblocked? No. I understand it would take far too much time to unblock specific ads. Which doesn’t help the point of being morally in the right. Same with disagreeing with being able to crack/pirate all paywalls and SaaS subscriptions, et al. If the browser is to serve you.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  Right. So if there comes a day soon where every single online subscription service and SaaS is able to be used for free, we should be able to use all of it for free. The browsers exist to serve us. Not what some view as abusive business models.
skinnymuch 5y ago
Aren’t computers mean to be used the way the computer owner and user wants it to be used? Then there should be no problem for HNers who block all ads if hypothetically some situation comes out where all paid software and SaaS is able to be used freely on a person’s computing device. Since they should operate on the person’s behalf. I doubt most HNers who directly or indirectly work on software/SaaS/apps, and live off that income, would be cool with this.

skinnymuch 5y ago

Sure that’s cool. If you develop software for a company. Or any one you know develops software and charges for it. I hope you’re equally okay with you or your friends livelihoods going away if all people decide to think like you and find charging for any software to be the antithesis of what. They want the world to be. Usually this isn’t the case.