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Popcorn time ;) Let's wait for @jgrahamc to wake up Simple solution is for Cloudflare to change TOS to allow benchmarking and for 3rd party to publish a reprod

Popcorn time ;) Let's wait for @jgrahamc to wake up Simple solution is for Cloudflare to change TOS to allow benchmarking and for 3rd party to publish a reproducible benchmark suite. However TBH benchmarking a distributed system like Cloudflare/Fastly is going to be REALLY HARD. There are 1000s of servers involved and reproducing the results might be impossible.

ksec 5y ago
>Popcorn time ;) Indeed. We already have comments claiming Fastly are dismissive and evasive while others claiming the fault of Cloudflare. The community is divided, which is quite usual on recent HN. Let there be another holy war of CDN between Cloudflare and Fastly.
- unityByFreedom 5y ago
  > The community is divided I don't see any division. It's clear to me who has experience to back up their words and who doesn't.
- saagarjha 5y ago
  Ok, but let’s ideally not have the comments from that war wash up here.
raggi 5y ago
It's a decent use case for planetlab.
- ethbr0 5y ago
  And reproducible benchmarks with cached, publicly accessible results. At some point, you either have to make free tiers worse, or deal with thousands of people using them to run the same benchmark over and over. Cloudflare loves alliances: start a distributed benchmarking alliance! :)
unityByFreedom 5y ago
> Simple solution is for Cloudflare to change TOS to allow benchmarking and for 3rd party to publish a reproducible benchmark suite. Why doesn't Fastly just gasp ask Cloudflare about performing a benchmark? If they say no, publish that. Fastly does not publish their pricing [1]. And, you need to contact a rep to sign up for commercial use [2], which implies everyone gets a different deal. It's absurd to say that contacting Cloudflare to do benchmarking means it's impossible for them to do a comparison, > [FASTLY BLOG] it's impossible for us to define our own terms for a comparison because Cloudflare’s terms of use prohibit benchmarking of their services >> [CLOUDFLARE TERMS] (f) perform or publish any benchmark tests or analyses relating to the Services without Cloudflare’s written consent; That is not so different from Fastly's own sign-up process. [1] https://www.fastly.com/pricing/ https://www.fastly.com/pricing/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29468455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29468455
- anaganisk 5y ago
  Why are u parading all the comment threads slightly supportive of fastly? Unlike Fastly, cloudflare bars its own customers with TOS while fastly tailors their offering to new customers, I just don’t see your point.
jgrahamc 5y ago
Sente then gote
- apengwin 5y ago
  same

ksec 5y ago

>Popcorn time ;) Indeed. We already have comments claiming Fastly are dismissive and evasive while others claiming the fault of Cloudflare. The community is divided, which is quite usual on recent HN. Let there be another holy war of CDN between Cloudflare and Fastly.

unityByFreedom 5y ago
> The community is divided I don't see any division. It's clear to me who has experience to back up their words and who doesn't.
saagarjha 5y ago
Ok, but let’s ideally not have the comments from that war wash up here.

raggi 5y ago

It's a decent use case for planetlab.

ethbr0 5y ago
And reproducible benchmarks with cached, publicly accessible results. At some point, you either have to make free tiers worse, or deal with thousands of people using them to run the same benchmark over and over. Cloudflare loves alliances: start a distributed benchmarking alliance! :)

unityByFreedom 5y ago

> Simple solution is for Cloudflare to change TOS to allow benchmarking and for 3rd party to publish a reproducible benchmark suite. Why doesn't Fastly just gasp ask Cloudflare about performing a benchmark? If they say no, publish that. Fastly does not publish their pricing [1]. And, you need to contact a rep to sign up for commercial use [2], which implies everyone gets a different deal. It's absurd to say that contacting Cloudflare to do benchmarking means it's impossible for them to do a comparison, > [FASTLY BLOG] it's impossible for us to define our own terms for a comparison because Cloudflare’s terms of use prohibit benchmarking of their services >> [CLOUDFLARE TERMS] (f) perform or publish any benchmark tests or analyses relating to the Services without Cloudflare’s written consent; That is not so different from Fastly's own sign-up process. [1] https://www.fastly.com/pricing/ https://www.fastly.com/pricing/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29468455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29468455

anaganisk 5y ago
Why are u parading all the comment threads slightly supportive of fastly? Unlike Fastly, cloudflare bars its own customers with TOS while fastly tailors their offering to new customers, I just don’t see your point.

jgrahamc 5y ago

Sente then gote

apengwin 5y ago
same