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You know how most web2 sites never delete data, but just flag it as hidden? The web3 argument is to create systems whereby this is the norm, when one chooses, w
by gfodor 5y ago
You know how most web2 sites never delete data, but just flag it as hidden? The web3 argument is to create systems whereby this is the norm, when one chooses, with the lowest layer being durable and immutable, but a variety of higher level layers (some centralized) having the freedom to mask that data when they choose.
Ultimately, the relevant question is if the root layer of open data systems should allow erasure. There are good arguments to be had on both sides. If you feel that if we don’t have systems that are fundamentally censorproof, the net result will be an eventual all consuming global censorship regime in the limit given enough time, then there is little choice, however.
- sanderjd 5y ago> You know how most web2 sites never delete data, but just flag it as hidden? Not the ones I've worked on... Flag as hidden and delete after some number of days is the best practice which I think (and hope) is commonly done?
- BadCookie 5y agoIf the data belongs to an individual consumer, the data must actually be deleted at the customer’s request to comply with GDPR and CCPA.
- gfodor 5y agoA great theory but in practice in this specific case the legal system will be forced to capitulate. Either a country has to ban all crypto mining or not enforce GDPR on chain nodes. Seems obvious which way it will land in the long run.
- remexre 5y agodidn't china already ban mining lmao
- not2b 5y agoUnless much more energy-efficient methods are developed, it seems in the long term crypto mining is going to be banned almost everywhere. The alternative would be cooking the planet. Perhaps this problem can be solved somehow, but the alternatives have their problems.
- gls2ro 5y agoI really don't think a legal argument can be made in case of GDPR breach saying "we cannot enforce GDPR because our tech does not support this" I think if you are a business you should choose technology that allows you to be compliant with the law.
- CryptoPunk 5y ago>>I think if you are a business you should choose technology that allows you to be compliant with the law. Unless the law violates personal liberty, which GDPR does.
- gls2ro 5y agoHow does GDPR violate personal liberty? I am very curious if you can pinpoint what exactly from it violates personal libery.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoIt violates the right to offer a service in exchange for permanent access to the private data the user discloses to you. It's a cookie cutter rule that restricts contract liberty to create more regimented social interaction.
- malermeister 5y agoIt also seems obvious to me, but I don't think we came to the same "obvious" conclusion.
- cblconfederate 5y agoI d like to see them try to enforce the GDPR across the entire internet simultaneously People should realize that writing a law on a piece of paper doesn't make it real or enforceable
- TrackerFF 5y agoIn many countries, it is possible to force ISPs to block content - and in the end, I guess it's easier for ISPs to simply not offer you their service, than face gov. mandated fines. It's a bit like cryptocurrencies and banks. Because it becomes such a big burden for banks (to prove that the money obtained by selling crypto is not related to funding terrorism, crime, etc.), many banks simply refuse service to customers dealing with crypto. Either closing accounts, freezing money, or whatever.
- cblconfederate 5y agonot easy with distributed systemd. That's how the internet upended text / books/ music/ video. and now money
- dredmorbius 5y agoThis is simply not true. Practices may vary by organisation and type of removal requests, but the claim that no removals occurs is absolutely false. For legally-proscribed content, platforms will go to extraordinary lengths to remove not only the backing store but all possible CDN copies of content. This can ammount to millions or billions of items of content (multiple sizes and versions, replicated across multiple geographic locations). Other instances in which UGC / USC (user generated/supplied content) have been removed are quite public, as with Google's shutdown and data deletion of its Google+ social network.