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that Web2 VS Web3 schema pretty much summarize what's wrong with the new internet based on brand identities instead of technical merits. A brief rebuttal: - T

that Web2 VS Web3 schema pretty much summarize what's wrong with the new internet based on brand identities instead of technical merits. A brief rebuttal: - Twitter can censor any account or Tweet: yes, but Twitter is not the web, you can host your own tweets, even for free. - Web3 tweets are better because decentralized: translations -> your thought are going to be forever visible to everybody and not even the author will be able to remove them. Of course any of those new shiny web3 logs can fail and everything can disappear with them. - Payment services may decide to not allow payments: Web3 payments can do the same. There is nothing that forces me to accept a payment and if that was true, that would be a problem. I __do want__ to refuse payments from criminals and I do wanna know if someone is. - servers for gig economy may go down. web3 servers can go down as well, they are made of hardware and maintained by people too. If, for example, Uber can't keep their servers running despite their profits depend on them, imagine what would happen if Uber was running on someone else's node who DGAF if they lose money or not... Now imagine what would happen to me, a completely unknown anonymous individual, with no power. What happens if something goes wrong and "my income is affected"? Who is responsible? Who can I sue in case the SLA in the agreement haven't been guaranteed? Will "the decentralized network of 1000s of computers" reimburse me?

chrisco255 5y ago
If you create a "web3" website, it's up to you how decentralized you want that experience to be. You could have your content hosted on Filecoin, perform computation on ICP or Arweave, provide IPFS hashes to your users using open standards (HTML, JSON, Markdown, etc) with simple export functionality, open source code, ENS domain, etc. If you take payments on your site via crypto, I'm not sure what you mean by "not accepting payments from criminals", as this is not a service provided by Visa or MasterCard either. I have a feeling running a criminal background check on all your users might impact your conversion rate, but you are as free to do that in Web3 as in Web2. (What are you selling that you would need to be concerned with such things anyways? If I'm selling an honest product or service, I don't care who buys it.) There is no SLA. If you need an SLA you can create a hybrid site that both stores files in a central server and also backs them up to Filecoin or Arweave or Sia or Chia or whatever file network you like. But decentralization does tend to lend itself to resiliency, for example, Ethereum has 100% uptime over the past 6 years.
- daoismyname 5y ago
  - throw_nbvc1234 5y ago
    > If you create a "web3" website, it's up to you how decentralized you want that experience to be > and this is new, how? It's not about decentralization, it's about decentralized trust. Why would you give someone's random website (or random gofundme) $1k? Maybe that decision would change if there was a smart contract which forced them to spend the money how you expected.
    - ShamelessC 5y ago
      Trust in the real world can't be automated unfortunately.
    - daoismyname 5y ago
      > Why would you give someone's random website (or random gofundme) $1k? for no reason and I won't do it in the future listen, smart contracts aren't more secure as other contracts today, that have been read by lawyers and proven in court for decades and still they are not to be trusted in full. this difference being there are far more lawyers than people who can read and understand a smart contract you live in the world of wishful thinking (not wanting to think you are deliberately lying) I live in real world where smart contract means nothing, it only works in very small communities where everybody already know and trust each other
  - chrisco255 5y ago
    > and this is new, how? The web is not decentralized today. We are routing vast majority of web traffic through a handful of monopolies that control all forms of monetization that don't involve crypto. Google + Facebook own the ad market. Paypal owns the payments market and where they aren't, VISA + MasterCard are used directly. We have seen deplatforming, censorship, antitrust behavior, price fixing, shadow banning, mass propaganda, sentiment manipulation, and more from these monopoly powers and some people are trying to make it better through novel monetization mechanisms that are open source, censorship resistant, decentralized, autonomous, and cryptographically verifiable. What's your big idea for dealing with the above? >and that should tempt me, why? Probably won't because snarky replies like that imply that you lack psychological openness and creativity. >anyway, it's kinda required by the law that you don't sell everything to everybody.. No, it's not. It is perfectly okay to sell food to anyone. It's okay to sell clothes to anyone. It's okay to sell books to anyone, etc. For the vast majority of products and services, it is truly okay to sell to them without knowing anything about them. This is the de facto state of retail commerce. >because you know, conversion rates are gonna be the last of your problem if you end up in jail. I live in a western democracy with constitutional protection. It is perfectly okay to sell products and services to people without discriminating. In fact, discrimination is what gets you into legal trouble. Unless I'm selling firearms, pharmaceuticals, controlled substances, etc. it is really okay my dude. >who's paying me for all this work I need to do? When you create a self-owned endeavor, whether that be a lemonade stand or a personal web ecommerce store, you are the one who accepts the risk that you won't get paid. That's called a business my dude. >using the same concept of uptime, google search has 100% uptime over the past 23 years... No, it doesn't. Meanwhile Google Search is closed source software for which you have absolutely no visibility into. Google Search isn't a deterministic cryptographic computation engine. It's a manipulated, censored, monopoly-owned search engine that propels its own products and services to the top. It is designed to get you to click on paid ads. That's its purpose. Meanwhile your data, including intimate details about your personal life, is mined via AI and re-sold to the highest bidder.

chrisco255 5y ago

If you create a "web3" website, it's up to you how decentralized you want that experience to be. You could have your content hosted on Filecoin, perform computation on ICP or Arweave, provide IPFS hashes to your users using open standards (HTML, JSON, Markdown, etc) with simple export functionality, open source code, ENS domain, etc. If you take payments on your site via crypto, I'm not sure what you mean by "not accepting payments from criminals", as this is not a service provided by Visa or MasterCard either. I have a feeling running a criminal background check on all your users might impact your conversion rate, but you are as free to do that in Web3 as in Web2. (What are you selling that you would need to be concerned with such things anyways? If I'm selling an honest product or service, I don't care who buys it.) There is no SLA. If you need an SLA you can create a hybrid site that both stores files in a central server and also backs them up to Filecoin or Arweave or Sia or Chia or whatever file network you like. But decentralization does tend to lend itself to resiliency, for example, Ethereum has 100% uptime over the past 6 years.

daoismyname 5y ago
- throw_nbvc1234 5y ago
  > If you create a "web3" website, it's up to you how decentralized you want that experience to be > and this is new, how? It's not about decentralization, it's about decentralized trust. Why would you give someone's random website (or random gofundme) $1k? Maybe that decision would change if there was a smart contract which forced them to spend the money how you expected.
  - ShamelessC 5y ago
    Trust in the real world can't be automated unfortunately.
  - daoismyname 5y ago
    > Why would you give someone's random website (or random gofundme) $1k? for no reason and I won't do it in the future listen, smart contracts aren't more secure as other contracts today, that have been read by lawyers and proven in court for decades and still they are not to be trusted in full. this difference being there are far more lawyers than people who can read and understand a smart contract you live in the world of wishful thinking (not wanting to think you are deliberately lying) I live in real world where smart contract means nothing, it only works in very small communities where everybody already know and trust each other
- chrisco255 5y ago
  > and this is new, how? The web is not decentralized today. We are routing vast majority of web traffic through a handful of monopolies that control all forms of monetization that don't involve crypto. Google + Facebook own the ad market. Paypal owns the payments market and where they aren't, VISA + MasterCard are used directly. We have seen deplatforming, censorship, antitrust behavior, price fixing, shadow banning, mass propaganda, sentiment manipulation, and more from these monopoly powers and some people are trying to make it better through novel monetization mechanisms that are open source, censorship resistant, decentralized, autonomous, and cryptographically verifiable. What's your big idea for dealing with the above? >and that should tempt me, why? Probably won't because snarky replies like that imply that you lack psychological openness and creativity. >anyway, it's kinda required by the law that you don't sell everything to everybody.. No, it's not. It is perfectly okay to sell food to anyone. It's okay to sell clothes to anyone. It's okay to sell books to anyone, etc. For the vast majority of products and services, it is truly okay to sell to them without knowing anything about them. This is the de facto state of retail commerce. >because you know, conversion rates are gonna be the last of your problem if you end up in jail. I live in a western democracy with constitutional protection. It is perfectly okay to sell products and services to people without discriminating. In fact, discrimination is what gets you into legal trouble. Unless I'm selling firearms, pharmaceuticals, controlled substances, etc. it is really okay my dude. >who's paying me for all this work I need to do? When you create a self-owned endeavor, whether that be a lemonade stand or a personal web ecommerce store, you are the one who accepts the risk that you won't get paid. That's called a business my dude. >using the same concept of uptime, google search has 100% uptime over the past 23 years... No, it doesn't. Meanwhile Google Search is closed source software for which you have absolutely no visibility into. Google Search isn't a deterministic cryptographic computation engine. It's a manipulated, censored, monopoly-owned search engine that propels its own products and services to the top. It is designed to get you to click on paid ads. That's its purpose. Meanwhile your data, including intimate details about your personal life, is mined via AI and re-sold to the highest bidder.