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Why don't we have an X prize for incremental self driving around collision mitigation & safety? So much interesting research on the advent of "Automatic Brakin

Why don't we have an X prize for incremental self driving around collision mitigation & safety? So much interesting research on the advent of "Automatic Braking Systems" and its introduction -> - eg in China researchers demonstrate the potential of saving thousands of lives per annum - "fatalities could be reduced by 13.2%, and injuries could be reduced by 9.1%." (1) - and when using data from insurance claims - ". . front-facing automatic emergency braking systems can cut the frequency of bodily injury liability claims by nearly 25%. A similar study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) involving police-reported crashes — typically the most severe type of collision — found front automatic emergency braking reduced "front-to-rear" crashes by 50%. Often referred to as rear-ending another vehicle, these crashes can be deadly, particularly when the car responsible for the collision is moving at high speed. " (2) - Or when outfitting large tractor trailers with the tech - "Equipping large trucks with forward collision warning and automatic emergency braking (AEB) systems could eliminate more than 2 out of 5 crashes in which a large truck rear-ends another vehicle, a new study from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety suggests." (3) I recognize that we'll see "trickle down" safety improvements from the self driving groups, but how do we just ensure every 2025 model or what have you has some basic automatic braking system in place that includes pedestrian recognition? (1) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7037779/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7037779/ (2) https://www.jdpower.com/automotive-news/report-automatic-emergency-braking-systems-save-lives-save-money https://www.jdpower.com/automotive-news/report-automatic-eme... (3) https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/study-shows-front-crash-prevention-works-for-large-trucks-too https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/study-shows-front-crash-pre...

dheera 5y ago
Or you know, don't have left turns and pedestrian crossings at the same time. A simple software fix of the traffic light pattern would eliminate almost all of these fatalities. Sequence should be - Pedestrians in all directions including diagonal - Traffic in horizontal direction, no pedestrians - Traffic in vertical direction, no pedestrians Repeat
- jeffbee 5y ago
  You just doubled the expected wait time for pedestrians at every crossing.
  - dheera 5y ago
    OK then - Pedestrians in all directions including diagonal - Traffic in horizontal direction, no pedestrians - Pedestrians in all directions including diagonal - Traffic in vertical direction, no pedestrians
  - hedora 5y ago
    The current status quo in south bay is at least 4 states per light cycle: Horizontal straight (vertical pedestrians Horizontal left turns (no pedestrians) Vertical straight (horizontal pedestrians) Vertical left turns (no pedestrians) So the proposal increases the time a given pedestrian can use the intersection from 25% of the time to 33%. Many simple south bay intersections have 6 states, and I’ve seen one where they’ve added a 7th state to the cycle so the bike lanes can go straight while cars have a red right turn arrow.
    - jeffbee 5y ago
      The south bay is a car-choked hellscape that should in no way be used as a baseline or reference for pedestrian design.
- martinald 5y ago
  Agreed, being from the UK this confuses the hell out of me that left turns are allowed while pedestrian crossing is green in the US. It's clearly not green if cars can also travel!
mhb 5y ago
how do we just ensure every 2025 model or what have you has some basic automatic braking system in place that includes pedestrian recognition The step preceding that would be to determine whether this is the most effective way to spend resources for the expected benefit. The marginal car buyer who will have to wait in order to buy one of these more expensive cars might have been able to upgrade sooner if this safety equipment hadn't been ensured.
stefan_ 5y ago
Oh that would be an easy prize to win: limit the car speed at the speed limit. There you go, lots of lethality and stupidity outright removed. Electric kick scooters can do it, I'm sure we can manage that for cars.

dheera 5y ago

Or you know, don't have left turns and pedestrian crossings at the same time. A simple software fix of the traffic light pattern would eliminate almost all of these fatalities. Sequence should be - Pedestrians in all directions including diagonal - Traffic in horizontal direction, no pedestrians - Traffic in vertical direction, no pedestrians Repeat

jeffbee 5y ago
You just doubled the expected wait time for pedestrians at every crossing.
- dheera 5y ago
  OK then - Pedestrians in all directions including diagonal - Traffic in horizontal direction, no pedestrians - Pedestrians in all directions including diagonal - Traffic in vertical direction, no pedestrians
- hedora 5y ago
  The current status quo in south bay is at least 4 states per light cycle: Horizontal straight (vertical pedestrians Horizontal left turns (no pedestrians) Vertical straight (horizontal pedestrians) Vertical left turns (no pedestrians) So the proposal increases the time a given pedestrian can use the intersection from 25% of the time to 33%. Many simple south bay intersections have 6 states, and I’ve seen one where they’ve added a 7th state to the cycle so the bike lanes can go straight while cars have a red right turn arrow.
  - jeffbee 5y ago
    The south bay is a car-choked hellscape that should in no way be used as a baseline or reference for pedestrian design.
martinald 5y ago
Agreed, being from the UK this confuses the hell out of me that left turns are allowed while pedestrian crossing is green in the US. It's clearly not green if cars can also travel!

mhb 5y ago

how do we just ensure every 2025 model or what have you has some basic automatic braking system in place that includes pedestrian recognition The step preceding that would be to determine whether this is the most effective way to spend resources for the expected benefit. The marginal car buyer who will have to wait in order to buy one of these more expensive cars might have been able to upgrade sooner if this safety equipment hadn't been ensured.

stefan_ 5y ago

Oh that would be an easy prize to win: limit the car speed at the speed limit. There you go, lots of lethality and stupidity outright removed. Electric kick scooters can do it, I'm sure we can manage that for cars.