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I just moved to another company late last month. Before I left my old company, multiple people were either quitting, or moving to new positions within the compa

by jdhn 5y ago

I just moved to another company late last month. Before I left my old company, multiple people were either quitting, or moving to new positions within the company, and as a result the company was having a rough time filling all their open positions. I know this is anecdotal, but I really don't believe that the Economist is right in this case.

the_jeremy 5y ago
My team is full of lifers (everyone but me and the friend I got hired have been here >8 years), and only one person of the 12 of us left this year. My fiancee's company is in the process of losing the entire mobile team (Android/iOS, ~8 team members, lost 5 this year), but it's a dumpster fire with low wages, so them going down in flames isn't necessarily related to a broader movement.
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- incongruity 5y ago
  I feel like you sorta added evidence to the idea that it is a broader movement. It’s not that everyone is just saying “I quit” - but those in bad jobs/bad teams/working for low wages are the ones supposedly making moves and I think your anecdotes align with that. Just say’n is all.
- sdenton4 5y ago
  I think the broad movement is exactly people settling less for dumpster fires with low wages...
- stetrain 5y ago
  The trends of remote work and broader competition to find tech workers would make it much easier to get out of such a dumpster fire situation over the last ~18 months. So perhaps the reasons for quitting haven't changed much, but the burden of jumping is lower so it's happening more often.
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rwj 5y ago
I don't understand this type of response. "I know my reasoning is faulty, but I believe it anyway..."
- throw1234651234 5y ago
  When there is enough anecdotal evidence, that is consistent, you have to consider that the researcher is missing something. In this case, there might just be a misunderstanding - the economist is considering all jobs, whereas this evidence is coming from experienced tech jobs. The evidence is multi-faceted - people quitting, more hits from recruiters, etc.
  - imbnwa 5y ago
    I mean at my job we only had 1 QA engineer leave out of all staff in engineering since COVID triggered lockdowns
- adamc 5y ago
  I think you misrepresent the comment, which was more "I know an anecdote cannot prove this, but..." Believing something while being aware your experience isn't really proof is not "faulty reasoning", since the awareness doesn't tell you your belief is wrong. It just alerts you that you should be open to additional evidence. (Which is always true, but we have to prioritize.)
- laumars 5y ago
  That’s a little disingenuous. They’re simply saying “I know my evidence is light but I haven’t seen any stronger envidence to support the counter argument”. The “great resignation” will be more pronounced in different cities and professions. Eg I’ve noticed London based cloud engineers such as DevOps seem to be really affected at the moment whereas a lot of friends in other industries haven’t seen any change at all.
ffhhj 5y ago
I would expect at least 200% salary increase in order to move to an office. That's why I declined a position at FB last week.
- TulliusCicero 5y ago
  I thought FB offered remote work as an option to basically everyone now?

by jdhn 5y ago

the_jeremy 5y ago

My team is full of lifers (everyone but me and the friend I got hired have been here >8 years), and only one person of the 12 of us left this year. My fiancee's company is in the process of losing the entire mobile team (Android/iOS, ~8 team members, lost 5 this year), but it's a dumpster fire with low wages, so them going down in flames isn't necessarily related to a broader movement.

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incongruity 5y ago
I feel like you sorta added evidence to the idea that it is a broader movement. It’s not that everyone is just saying “I quit” - but those in bad jobs/bad teams/working for low wages are the ones supposedly making moves and I think your anecdotes align with that. Just say’n is all.
sdenton4 5y ago
I think the broad movement is exactly people settling less for dumpster fires with low wages...
stetrain 5y ago
The trends of remote work and broader competition to find tech workers would make it much easier to get out of such a dumpster fire situation over the last ~18 months. So perhaps the reasons for quitting haven't changed much, but the burden of jumping is lower so it's happening more often.

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rwj 5y ago

I don't understand this type of response. "I know my reasoning is faulty, but I believe it anyway..."

throw1234651234 5y ago
When there is enough anecdotal evidence, that is consistent, you have to consider that the researcher is missing something. In this case, there might just be a misunderstanding - the economist is considering all jobs, whereas this evidence is coming from experienced tech jobs. The evidence is multi-faceted - people quitting, more hits from recruiters, etc.
- imbnwa 5y ago
  I mean at my job we only had 1 QA engineer leave out of all staff in engineering since COVID triggered lockdowns
adamc 5y ago
I think you misrepresent the comment, which was more "I know an anecdote cannot prove this, but..." Believing something while being aware your experience isn't really proof is not "faulty reasoning", since the awareness doesn't tell you your belief is wrong. It just alerts you that you should be open to additional evidence. (Which is always true, but we have to prioritize.)
laumars 5y ago
That’s a little disingenuous. They’re simply saying “I know my evidence is light but I haven’t seen any stronger envidence to support the counter argument”. The “great resignation” will be more pronounced in different cities and professions. Eg I’ve noticed London based cloud engineers such as DevOps seem to be really affected at the moment whereas a lot of friends in other industries haven’t seen any change at all.

ffhhj 5y ago

I would expect at least 200% salary increase in order to move to an office. That's why I declined a position at FB last week.

TulliusCicero 5y ago
I thought FB offered remote work as an option to basically everyone now?