> As for the encryption, it depends on your threat model. Yes, full E2E by default would be ideal, but even with their default cloud encryption they're probably

> As for the encryption, it depends on your threat model. Yes, full E2E by default would be ideal, but even with their default cloud encryption they're probably a lot more trustable than Facebook & co. According to their FAQ, the data is scattered across servers in multiple jurdistictions, so a lot of governments would have to team up to get any data out of them. Well, with WA I know they won't have access to it, except the metadata. With telegram I have to trust they they are probably more trustable. And yes I know the metadata is more valuable anyway to the likes of FB. But yeah the ads are going to be in Channels for now, I don't even use those. But I doubt it'll stop there. For me it's a bit like a bridge they cross that leads to a dark path. I don't mind paying for a good chat service but not with ads. > But also, how do you handle convenient cloud backup/sync with full E2E? WhatsApp and Viber both constantly manage to lose messages for me when restoring after a device reset or switch I don't really care about backing up my messages. But I send all my chats through Matrix now (with Bridges) so it keeps a log for me there (but on my own server). But I have not see this kind of issue with WA in the past when I did use that feature.