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It’s a big problem. When we moved to NC my girlfriend started working at my son’s school (preschool). The $17/hr she gets is considered the top end of the pay r

It’s a big problem. When we moved to NC my girlfriend started working at my son’s school (preschool). The $17/hr she gets is considered the top end of the pay range for her job… $17/hr! She’s got a college degree!

randomdata 5y ago
> She’s got a college degree! Is that significant? The preschool I send my child to's child care provider has a boat. Neither factor into my purchasing decision. Everyone is going to have hobbies of some sort outside of work. How much I will pay isn't going to change depending on what hobbies they have chosen.
- bsagdiyev 5y ago
  Yeah that makes no sense. I would prefer my child is taught by someone who is at least accredited by the state. Of which a college degree is typically required. My point though was that she attended college and earns a shit wage, whereas I didn’t graduate high school but fell in to tech. Most tech jobs provide absolutely no value to the planet, mine included, compared to the value a teacher provides children.
  - randomdata 5y ago
    > My point though was that she attended college Your point is unclear. What difference does this make? She could have once travelled to the moon, but that wouldn't make her participation in the same job worth more. The buyers of services pay for the work being done, not for what you may have done in the past. They do not care about your hobbies. Do you think people are paying less for the software you help create because you didn't graduate from high school? Of course not. They couldn't care less. They are only concerned about what the software can do for them. > Most tech jobs provide absolutely no value to the planet, mine included, compared to the value a teacher provides children. Problem is that childcare doesn't scale very well. A single person can only care for so many children, especially when they are young. This means that the cost can only be distributed across so many parents. If the cost to the parents is too high, the parents will stay home and provide that care themselves. In contrast, a 99¢ app across many millions of customers provides very nice scalability and a fortune for those involved in it. Per customer, the childcare provider is paid substantially more, but is limited to how many customers they can have. Perhaps someone with a college degree should be using their experience to solve for the scalability issues, but a hobby one had in the past is no indication that they have interest in continuing with that hobby, so it is unrealistic to place that expectation on anyone.
notyourday 5y ago
There's no free lunch. Most of school budget comes from the property taxes inside school districts. To pay teachers more money, the voters simply need to go through whatever are the steps to increase the property taxes to accommodate the budget increase. Until that is done, all of this is just talk.
gruez 5y ago
>The $17/hr she gets is considered the top end of the pay range for her job… $17/hr! She’s got a college degree! is $17/hr supposed to be outrageously low? According to[1], the median wage in NC is $35,750/year, or $17.19/hr. Someone with a college degree making median wage, in a job that pays below median wage[2] doesn't seem too outrageous. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_median_wage_and_mean_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... [2] https://www.bls.gov/oes/2020/may/oes_nat.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/2020/may/oes_nat.htm, comparing "Preschool Teachers, Except Special Education" $15.35 median hourly wage, against "all occupations" with $20.17 median hourly wage.

randomdata 5y ago

> She’s got a college degree! Is that significant? The preschool I send my child to's child care provider has a boat. Neither factor into my purchasing decision. Everyone is going to have hobbies of some sort outside of work. How much I will pay isn't going to change depending on what hobbies they have chosen.

bsagdiyev 5y ago
Yeah that makes no sense. I would prefer my child is taught by someone who is at least accredited by the state. Of which a college degree is typically required. My point though was that she attended college and earns a shit wage, whereas I didn’t graduate high school but fell in to tech. Most tech jobs provide absolutely no value to the planet, mine included, compared to the value a teacher provides children.
- randomdata 5y ago
  > My point though was that she attended college Your point is unclear. What difference does this make? She could have once travelled to the moon, but that wouldn't make her participation in the same job worth more. The buyers of services pay for the work being done, not for what you may have done in the past. They do not care about your hobbies. Do you think people are paying less for the software you help create because you didn't graduate from high school? Of course not. They couldn't care less. They are only concerned about what the software can do for them. > Most tech jobs provide absolutely no value to the planet, mine included, compared to the value a teacher provides children. Problem is that childcare doesn't scale very well. A single person can only care for so many children, especially when they are young. This means that the cost can only be distributed across so many parents. If the cost to the parents is too high, the parents will stay home and provide that care themselves. In contrast, a 99¢ app across many millions of customers provides very nice scalability and a fortune for those involved in it. Per customer, the childcare provider is paid substantially more, but is limited to how many customers they can have. Perhaps someone with a college degree should be using their experience to solve for the scalability issues, but a hobby one had in the past is no indication that they have interest in continuing with that hobby, so it is unrealistic to place that expectation on anyone.

notyourday 5y ago

There's no free lunch. Most of school budget comes from the property taxes inside school districts. To pay teachers more money, the voters simply need to go through whatever are the steps to increase the property taxes to accommodate the budget increase. Until that is done, all of this is just talk.

gruez 5y ago

>The $17/hr she gets is considered the top end of the pay range for her job… $17/hr! She’s got a college degree! is $17/hr supposed to be outrageously low? According to[1], the median wage in NC is $35,750/year, or $17.19/hr. Someone with a college degree making median wage, in a job that pays below median wage[2] doesn't seem too outrageous. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_median_wage_and_mean_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... [2] https://www.bls.gov/oes/2020/may/oes_nat.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/2020/may/oes_nat.htm, comparing "Preschool Teachers, Except Special Education" $15.35 median hourly wage, against "all occupations" with $20.17 median hourly wage.