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Not based on fact? Which facts are those? Certainly not these ones I'm guessing? https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2021/01/long-term-study-reveals-harm-regula

Not based on fact? Which facts are those? Certainly not these ones I'm guessing? https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2021/01/long-term-study-reveals-harm-regular-cannabis-use https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2021/01/long-term-study-r... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar_url%3Furl%3Dhttps://accp1.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1002/j.1552-4604.2002.tb06002.x%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DLNqtYbWQFpD2yAT97YOQBw%26scisig%3DAAGBfm17ev_8wUrCYHk8-axSnwdvSihAaA%26oi%3Dscholarr&ved=2ahUKEwiXgq6y8M70AhVMzzgGHQTTBOsQgAMoAHoECAMQAg&usg=AOvVaw0j45yoY_LJcT_KWpajE0tG https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

lillecarl 5y ago
Worth noting that cannabis is illegal in Australia, so if anything it could point towards people willing to ignore the law are more likely to X and Y rather than the cannabis being the cause. But I'm just playing devils advocate here, I doubt daily consumption of any stimulant is great in the long term, but cannabis is probably not worse than anything else really.
- GordonS 5y ago
  Just as an FYI, medical cannabis is legal in Australia, though AFAIK it is only available privately, and the system is over-burdened with regulations and costs (similar to the situation in the UK).
- nicoburns 5y ago
  > I doubt daily consumption of any stimulant is great in the long term, but cannabis is probably not worse than anything else really. I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that cannabis is a lot worse than caffeine in this respect. I have known quite a few people who smoked cannabis daily, and while they didn't seem to notice they were mentally slow (compared to their normal selves) and almost entirely unmotivated. Still better than alcoholism of course. But we shouldn't pretend that their aren't issues with every day cannabis use.
  - lillecarl 5y ago
    I mean it all depends on dosage right? And if you're smoking more CBD or THC. I had a friend who overconsumed caffeine until his heart rhythm started going bananas and he was hospitalized. But I've known many people who got stuck in the druggo trench, be it because of cannabis or not, a common denominator was they were all smoking weed.
    - nicoburns 5y ago
      Well sure, but that's true of literally everything. Drink too much water and you'll be in hospital. A small enough amount of cyanide will be fine. I think it's fair to assume a "normal dose".
  - np- 5y ago
    I mean if we are going with “knowing people” as an anecdote, I know a LOT of extremely rich, successful, and motivated people (especially in SF and NYC) who smoke cannabis basically nonstop.
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- belorn 5y ago
  Daily smoking of tobacco has a distinct effect on peoples lungs, while daily drinking of alcohol as a distinct effect on peoples liver. Smoking of cannabis has both effects, through how much on each is still being debated. I think we can however be fairly confident that daily consumption of tea and coffee is safer in term of stimulants. Not many develop chronic bronchitis from tea.
flashfaffe2 5y ago
Indeed surprisingly, cannabis can have bad effects on human. This has been taken I to account in a French case where murder of an old lady was declared not responsible due to its cannabis consumption. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56929040 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56929040
- ehvatum 5y ago
  The handful of French nationals I know regard that case as a grotesque miscarriage of justice emblematic of the double standard by which French and EU laws essentially do not apply to third-world economic migrants.
  - flashfaffe2 5y ago
    Irrespective of the judgment made, the expert mandated for that case( they were two distincts group) concluded the same. The cannabis hashad an effect on the behaviour. I use the case as an illustrative example of the effect of the cannabis. Not judging the case here
junon 5y ago
Your first link's sample pool was high schoolers and young 20 y/os - people who haven't had their brains fully form yet (which happens around 25). Further, it was funded by the Australian department of health, so ehhh who knows what sort of biases exist there. I can't even open your second link. Picking sources from a Google search generally doesn't help to back up whatever point you're trying to make fwiw.
- rat9988 5y ago
  This is the most biased answer I've ever read I believe.
  - junon 5y ago
    How so? I pointed out a flaw in responding to my question with a study performed on adolescants.
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  - pmarreck 5y ago
    Did he say anything disprovably false? I mean, I'm also arguing against him in this thread, but this comment in particular doesn't really stand out to me
- JohnWhigham 5y ago
  doesn't help to back up whatever point you're trying to make fwiw Neither does going "ehhh who knows what sort of biases exist there". What are you implying here, the people running the experiment are all inveterate stoners or something?
  - junon 5y ago
    Do you want to address the main point of my comment or focus solely on the secondary point I made?
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tragictrash 5y ago
Good job cherry picking clearly biased info off the internet. I think the site you were looking for is reddit.

lillecarl 5y ago

Worth noting that cannabis is illegal in Australia, so if anything it could point towards people willing to ignore the law are more likely to X and Y rather than the cannabis being the cause. But I'm just playing devils advocate here, I doubt daily consumption of any stimulant is great in the long term, but cannabis is probably not worse than anything else really.

GordonS 5y ago
Just as an FYI, medical cannabis is legal in Australia, though AFAIK it is only available privately, and the system is over-burdened with regulations and costs (similar to the situation in the UK).
nicoburns 5y ago
> I doubt daily consumption of any stimulant is great in the long term, but cannabis is probably not worse than anything else really. I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that cannabis is a lot worse than caffeine in this respect. I have known quite a few people who smoked cannabis daily, and while they didn't seem to notice they were mentally slow (compared to their normal selves) and almost entirely unmotivated. Still better than alcoholism of course. But we shouldn't pretend that their aren't issues with every day cannabis use.
- lillecarl 5y ago
  I mean it all depends on dosage right? And if you're smoking more CBD or THC. I had a friend who overconsumed caffeine until his heart rhythm started going bananas and he was hospitalized. But I've known many people who got stuck in the druggo trench, be it because of cannabis or not, a common denominator was they were all smoking weed.
  - nicoburns 5y ago
    Well sure, but that's true of literally everything. Drink too much water and you'll be in hospital. A small enough amount of cyanide will be fine. I think it's fair to assume a "normal dose".
- np- 5y ago
  I mean if we are going with “knowing people” as an anecdote, I know a LOT of extremely rich, successful, and motivated people (especially in SF and NYC) who smoke cannabis basically nonstop.
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belorn 5y ago
Daily smoking of tobacco has a distinct effect on peoples lungs, while daily drinking of alcohol as a distinct effect on peoples liver. Smoking of cannabis has both effects, through how much on each is still being debated. I think we can however be fairly confident that daily consumption of tea and coffee is safer in term of stimulants. Not many develop chronic bronchitis from tea.

flashfaffe2 5y ago

Indeed surprisingly, cannabis can have bad effects on human. This has been taken I to account in a French case where murder of an old lady was declared not responsible due to its cannabis consumption. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56929040 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56929040

ehvatum 5y ago
The handful of French nationals I know regard that case as a grotesque miscarriage of justice emblematic of the double standard by which French and EU laws essentially do not apply to third-world economic migrants.
- flashfaffe2 5y ago
  Irrespective of the judgment made, the expert mandated for that case( they were two distincts group) concluded the same. The cannabis hashad an effect on the behaviour. I use the case as an illustrative example of the effect of the cannabis. Not judging the case here

junon 5y ago

Your first link's sample pool was high schoolers and young 20 y/os - people who haven't had their brains fully form yet (which happens around 25). Further, it was funded by the Australian department of health, so ehhh who knows what sort of biases exist there. I can't even open your second link. Picking sources from a Google search generally doesn't help to back up whatever point you're trying to make fwiw.

rat9988 5y ago
This is the most biased answer I've ever read I believe.
- junon 5y ago
  How so? I pointed out a flaw in responding to my question with a study performed on adolescants.
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- pmarreck 5y ago
  Did he say anything disprovably false? I mean, I'm also arguing against him in this thread, but this comment in particular doesn't really stand out to me
JohnWhigham 5y ago
doesn't help to back up whatever point you're trying to make fwiw Neither does going "ehhh who knows what sort of biases exist there". What are you implying here, the people running the experiment are all inveterate stoners or something?
- junon 5y ago
  Do you want to address the main point of my comment or focus solely on the secondary point I made?
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tragictrash 5y ago

Good job cherry picking clearly biased info off the internet. I think the site you were looking for is reddit.