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A conservative wanting to limit the power of government? Shocking! Seriously though, this position is consistent with conservative beliefs; why do you find it

A conservative wanting to limit the power of government? Shocking! Seriously though, this position is consistent with conservative beliefs; why do you find it hard to believe? Even the infamous Rush Limbaugh opposed letting the government force Apple to decrypt the San Bernardino shooter's iPhone.

digisign 5y ago
The new thinking is to support LE without question. Nuance getting scarcer and scarcer.
- sul_tasto 5y ago
  I think a lot changed after 9/11/01.
caslon 5y ago
Note the "these days" in the comment you're replying to. Ted Cruz: https://reason.com/2016/02/18/ted-cruz-says-apple-needs-to-comply-with/ https://reason.com/2016/02/18/ted-cruz-says-apple-needs-to-c... Jeb!: "If you create encryption, it makes it harder for the American government to do its job — while protecting civil liberties — to make sure that evildoers aren’t in our midst." https://theintercept.com/2015/08/19/jeb-bush-comes-encryption/ https://theintercept.com/2015/08/19/jeb-bush-comes-encryptio... "On Tuesday, June 23, Senators Graham (R-SC), Cotton (R-AR), and Blackburn (R-TN) introduced a bill that is a full-frontal nuclear assault on encryption in the United States. You can find the bill text here. It's been formally introduced as Senate bill 4051, which you can track here. (Other reactions to the bill so far: EFF, Techdirt.)" http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/06/there%E2%80%99s-now-even-worse-anti-encryption-bill-earn-it-doesn%E2%80%99t-make-earn-it-bill-ok http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/06/there%E2%80%99s-no... It isn't within the party line to support encryption any longer, because there are no conservatives in government.
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TulliusCicero 5y ago
Conservatives generally only want to limit the power of government when they feel those limits are in their interest. There are tons of examples of conservatives wanting to expand or maintain the power of government relative to the left.
- kortilla 5y ago
  > Conservatives generally only want to limit the power of government when they feel those limits are in their interest. This is in the same category of “liberals only want immigration to expand their voter base”. It’s so lazy and reductionist that the only reason to post it is to collect claps from people who already agree with you. What’s the point? Seriously. How can you expect any kind of productive or inquisitive conversation to come from telling “the other side” they don’t actually believe what they believe? Why waste all of our time like this?
  - pjc50 5y ago
    > telling “the other side” they don’t actually believe what they believe Their actions, in the form of legislation, conflict drastically with the stated beliefs, and trying to discuss that never gets anywhere. See other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457639 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457639 (Manifesto hypocrisy is not at all exclusive to the right! But for some reason it doesn't get used as an attack line in the same way in the other direction) Is the Texas abortion ban "limited government"? Show your working.
    - ybessyehsyehs 5y ago
      Most Texans see abortion as murder. This issue, to them, has nothing to do with "limited government" but human rights
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    - rayiner 5y ago
      You’re attacking a straw man. Conservatives aren’t and don’t purport to be anarcho-libertarians. To a first order approximation, conservatives believe in cabining government to functions it has historically performed in the American tradition. That includes defense and internal security. It includes the protection of human life. At the state level—remember, state governments are not ones of enumerated powers—it includes a pretty broad intrusion into “the public welfare and morals.”

digisign 5y ago

The new thinking is to support LE without question. Nuance getting scarcer and scarcer.

sul_tasto 5y ago
I think a lot changed after 9/11/01.

caslon 5y ago

Note the "these days" in the comment you're replying to. Ted Cruz: https://reason.com/2016/02/18/ted-cruz-says-apple-needs-to-comply-with/ https://reason.com/2016/02/18/ted-cruz-says-apple-needs-to-c... Jeb!: "If you create encryption, it makes it harder for the American government to do its job — while protecting civil liberties — to make sure that evildoers aren’t in our midst." https://theintercept.com/2015/08/19/jeb-bush-comes-encryption/ https://theintercept.com/2015/08/19/jeb-bush-comes-encryptio... "On Tuesday, June 23, Senators Graham (R-SC), Cotton (R-AR), and Blackburn (R-TN) introduced a bill that is a full-frontal nuclear assault on encryption in the United States. You can find the bill text here. It's been formally introduced as Senate bill 4051, which you can track here. (Other reactions to the bill so far: EFF, Techdirt.)" http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/06/there%E2%80%99s-now-even-worse-anti-encryption-bill-earn-it-doesn%E2%80%99t-make-earn-it-bill-ok http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/06/there%E2%80%99s-no... It isn't within the party line to support encryption any longer, because there are no conservatives in government.

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TulliusCicero 5y ago

Conservatives generally only want to limit the power of government when they feel those limits are in their interest. There are tons of examples of conservatives wanting to expand or maintain the power of government relative to the left.

kortilla 5y ago
> Conservatives generally only want to limit the power of government when they feel those limits are in their interest. This is in the same category of “liberals only want immigration to expand their voter base”. It’s so lazy and reductionist that the only reason to post it is to collect claps from people who already agree with you. What’s the point? Seriously. How can you expect any kind of productive or inquisitive conversation to come from telling “the other side” they don’t actually believe what they believe? Why waste all of our time like this?
- pjc50 5y ago
  > telling “the other side” they don’t actually believe what they believe Their actions, in the form of legislation, conflict drastically with the stated beliefs, and trying to discuss that never gets anywhere. See other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457639 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29457639 (Manifesto hypocrisy is not at all exclusive to the right! But for some reason it doesn't get used as an attack line in the same way in the other direction) Is the Texas abortion ban "limited government"? Show your working.
  - ybessyehsyehs 5y ago
    Most Texans see abortion as murder. This issue, to them, has nothing to do with "limited government" but human rights
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  - rayiner 5y ago
    You’re attacking a straw man. Conservatives aren’t and don’t purport to be anarcho-libertarians. To a first order approximation, conservatives believe in cabining government to functions it has historically performed in the American tradition. That includes defense and internal security. It includes the protection of human life. At the state level—remember, state governments are not ones of enumerated powers—it includes a pretty broad intrusion into “the public welfare and morals.”