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Well, readings are subjective, and it's ok that you don't agree with my reading of it. But I do think that you're either mistaking "plain and simple truth" for

by chrsig 5y ago

Well, readings are subjective, and it's ok that you don't agree with my reading of it. But I do think that you're either mistaking "plain and simple truth" for callousness, or creating a double standard. Are descriptions such as "bitter" not the "plain and simple" truth for this post? I certainly think it reads bitterly. They're not really complaining about the work conditions, so I'm not really sure what you're referring to there. It's just code. It doesn't bite. It does ossify. It's unpleasant to deal with, but it's part of the job. It seemed like they had supportive, albeit corporate management.

zepto 5y ago
> Are descriptions such as "bitter" not the "plain and simple" truth for this post? I certainly think it reads bitterly. Erm, no? You yourself pointed out: “Well, readings are subjective…”
- chrsig 5y ago
  What real facts did the author present? It's a recounting of their impression of the code base, experience on boarding, etc. Perhaps I'm being dense - could you highlight the plain and simple truth part?
  - zepto 5y ago
    It’s not about what the author wrote. Of course what they wrote was their own opinion. It’s about you reading ‘bitterness’ in to what they wrote. The bitterness is in your mind.
    - vanusa 5y ago
      The bitterness is in your mind. Agreed - across this thread, there's been a lot of what imputation of bad or petty intent and/or of a disagreeable emotional state on the part of the blog author that just isn't called for.
vanusa 5y ago
Well I didn't mean "conditions" like having to work in a windowless basement, with a pile phonebooks to sit on instead of a chair. But rather: being asked to work on products we just can't really believe in, to be silent when upper management (though otherwise supportive and presumably in no way outwardly abusive or mean) would prefer that we keep our blinders on, etc. It's just code. His main concern was the quality of the product as a whole -- and the lack of awareness in that environment of what, to him, seemed to be simple and obvious facts. The remarks about the "bad code" almost tangential (like he said, "it didn't bother me much").

by chrsig 5y ago

zepto 5y ago

> Are descriptions such as "bitter" not the "plain and simple" truth for this post? I certainly think it reads bitterly. Erm, no? You yourself pointed out: “Well, readings are subjective…”

chrsig 5y ago
What real facts did the author present? It's a recounting of their impression of the code base, experience on boarding, etc. Perhaps I'm being dense - could you highlight the plain and simple truth part?
- zepto 5y ago
  It’s not about what the author wrote. Of course what they wrote was their own opinion. It’s about you reading ‘bitterness’ in to what they wrote. The bitterness is in your mind.
  - vanusa 5y ago
    The bitterness is in your mind. Agreed - across this thread, there's been a lot of what imputation of bad or petty intent and/or of a disagreeable emotional state on the part of the blog author that just isn't called for.

vanusa 5y ago

Well I didn't mean "conditions" like having to work in a windowless basement, with a pile phonebooks to sit on instead of a chair. But rather: being asked to work on products we just can't really believe in, to be silent when upper management (though otherwise supportive and presumably in no way outwardly abusive or mean) would prefer that we keep our blinders on, etc. It's just code. His main concern was the quality of the product as a whole -- and the lack of awareness in that environment of what, to him, seemed to be simple and obvious facts. The remarks about the "bad code" almost tangential (like he said, "it didn't bother me much").