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I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these

by narkee 15y ago

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

tintin 15y ago
Maybe he is having small hardware issues. Sometimes you won't notice them until you upgrade lets say your video driver (or parts of the OS using them different).
mason55 15y ago
Literally the only issue he listed that I've experienced is the super-slow Mission Control opening. But I'm on a 4 year old laptop so I'm not surprised.
Mavrik 15y ago
I never experienced any of the Vista issues either. That doesn't mean the issues didn't exist or that Vista was a good product.
revscat 15y ago
Me either. He specifically mentions Steam, and I was just playing TF2 last night on my 2008 MBP with no issues. I have not personally experienced any of the items that that he is reporting on either of my home systems, both of which are running Lion. This article smacks of link bait.
- mainevent 15y ago
  I would have to disagree. Have experienced at least 5 of the things that he mentions on two separate Macs. Address book, which he doesn't mention, has also been redesigned and had a number of very useful features removed.
  - reemrevnivek 15y ago
    Which five things? Also, did you do a clean install recently, which would indicate that configurations should still be fine, or did you upgrade from a previous OS, which could (but shouldn't) have an unusual/broken configuration?
    - mainevent 15y ago
      Sticking to his article: "Mail crashes all the time." "Fullscreen apps have a habit of just vanishing. They’re running, but they’re not showing." "Finder periodically decides you don’t need to see all your windows any more." "iTunes boot time is measured in aeons." "The “Something has crashed, send a report to Apple” window might as well be your Desktop Picture." Happen to agree that Launchpad and Mission Control aren't great but that's just my personal opinion. On both machines I upgraded from the previous OS.
roc 15y ago
His having had such problems with XP that he was looking forward to Vista [1] certainly supports that idea. [1] Two assertions I have never, ever heard before.
gacba 15y ago
I wonder if his issues stem from using Lion on older Mac hardware, the same pain point most Vista users had when upgrading on hardware that was clearly not capable of handling it. With that said, Lion runs sweetly on my MBP without any serious issues to date. I bought it brand new with Lion and there haven't been any weird events aside from WiFi cutting out on wake up. 10.7.1 fixed that for me.
yogsototh 15y ago
I have an iMac from 2007. And after upgrading I experienced most of these issues. Even thought I love most of new Lion features. I am happy to know, it works fine for most people. May I try to make a clean install. But if it doesn't work better, I'll have to downgrade. I don't think I have a "strange" configuration. I don't remind playing with the kernel or using very specific configuration.
- llambda 15y ago
  Try a clean install. As always, this is the preferred method for upgrading. (This is because there can be user-installed software that had explicit dependencies on the older environment.)
  - dasil003 15y ago
    And just FYI, to do a clean install with only one download of Lion you need to burn a disk or create a USB stick before you install it because it deletes the installer. See http://lifehacker.com/5823096/how-to-burn-your-own-lion-install-dvd-or-flash-drive http://lifehacker.com/5823096/how-to-burn-your-own-lion-inst...
swlkr 15y ago
I'm guessing he upgraded an older mac. I have a new macbook air and don't have any problem.
voxmatt 15y ago
I agree, I haven't had these issues either. Lion has worked very well for me and my old MacBrook Pro is actually faster because of it. The one persistent bug I have is opening files/links into full-screened apps. For example, clicking a link in Twitter won't switch the screen to Chrome if it's in full-screen and I've had worse problems on that front.
voxmatt 15y ago
I agree, I haven't had these issues either. Lion has worked very well for me and my old MacBook Pro is actually faster because of it. The one persistent bug I have is opening files/links into full-screened apps. For example, clicking a link in Twitter won't switch the screen to Chrome if it's in full-screen and I've had worse problems on that front.
dmazin 15y ago
I have a 2007 white MacBook. Lion runs just great for me.
KirinDave 15y ago
I've experienced my own set of issues (oh god the kernel panics), but really, you haven't experienced anything he mentions? You don't feel like Mission control is a pretty big step backwards from even the old spaces UI (on a single monitor, it is)? You really haven't had problems or questions with the new fullscreen behavior? You think Launchpad is not pointless? You've _never_ had action misses on drag-and-drop to the browser? Sometimes I wonder what people think they could possibly do with legacy configurations to cause problems like the ones described. Is there a com.apple.absurdly-slow-on-3-year-old-hardware.plist you're expecting to find hidden in their ~/Library/Preferences? Pebcac is real, but if the problem exists between the majority of computers and chairs for a given OS release, then maybe it's time to redefine the problem.
- watmough 15y ago
  Man, this beggars belief. I've never had a kernel panic, ever, except when playing with bad kexts, and when everyone was all gung-ho getting XP running on the first Intel Macs.
- vaporstun 15y ago
  "I've experienced my own set of issues (oh god the kernel panics), but really, you haven't experienced anything he mentions?" I'm in basically the same boat. I have experienced some issues, but none of the ones he mentions. Further, in my experience anyway, this has been the smoothest major OS version upgrade I've experienced. Obviously that won't be true for everyone, but it is for myself. "You don't feel like Mission control is a pretty big step backwards from even the old spaces UI (on a single monitor, it is)?" I don't personally, but to each his own. I think it is refreshing that they cleaned things up and consolidated what was once multiple disparate UIs (dashboard, expose, and spaces) into a single UI. Formerly, I didn't even try to explain to my wife how to use Spaces because it was just too confusing for her. Now that it's all basically one UI, it is easier to explain and requires no manual configuration. I am a bit annoyed at some minor quirks, like the inability to manually rearrange desktops, but I don't consider it a step back. "You think Launchpad is not pointless?" I just simply don't get this complaint. They added a new feature. If you think it's pointless, ignore it, but what is the point of complaining about a new thing which you are not forced to use which does not deprecate any old feature? Anyway, everyone is certainly welcome to have their complaints, especially someone who has experienced some poor issues, but I agree with the grandparent comment that often someone's configs can get mangled and they can lash out at, in this case, Apple, as though it is entirely their fault. I would be extremely surprised if all of these complaints were entirely valid and the writer of the article were not tinkering with their system intensely to have all these issues pop up.
jsz0 15y ago
Me either. I've upgraded about half a dozen Macs with Lion at this point with no problems at all. The rating for Lion on the Mac App Store is 4 starts with over 150 reviews so it seems to be working well for most people.
Caballera 15y ago
I have to agree, I'm not having any issues with Lion. Everyone I know that has a Mac or Macbook has updated to Lion without any issues and I've heard no complaints. The biggest issue I did see was one friend that had problems with plug-ins for Adobe Illustrator (i think it was) which was fixed within days.
leon_ 15y ago
> Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky Warez. Many expensive applications (especially audio/3d editing software) comes with a dongle. To "crack" the apps people write kernel extensions that simulate such dongles. Mix that with a new kernel and you get the perfect disaster.

by narkee 15y ago

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

tintin 15y ago

Maybe he is having small hardware issues. Sometimes you won't notice them until you upgrade lets say your video driver (or parts of the OS using them different).

mason55 15y ago

Literally the only issue he listed that I've experienced is the super-slow Mission Control opening. But I'm on a 4 year old laptop so I'm not surprised.

Mavrik 15y ago

I never experienced any of the Vista issues either. That doesn't mean the issues didn't exist or that Vista was a good product.

revscat 15y ago

Me either. He specifically mentions Steam, and I was just playing TF2 last night on my 2008 MBP with no issues. I have not personally experienced any of the items that that he is reporting on either of my home systems, both of which are running Lion. This article smacks of link bait.

mainevent 15y ago
I would have to disagree. Have experienced at least 5 of the things that he mentions on two separate Macs. Address book, which he doesn't mention, has also been redesigned and had a number of very useful features removed.
- reemrevnivek 15y ago
  Which five things? Also, did you do a clean install recently, which would indicate that configurations should still be fine, or did you upgrade from a previous OS, which could (but shouldn't) have an unusual/broken configuration?
  - mainevent 15y ago
    Sticking to his article: "Mail crashes all the time." "Fullscreen apps have a habit of just vanishing. They’re running, but they’re not showing." "Finder periodically decides you don’t need to see all your windows any more." "iTunes boot time is measured in aeons." "The “Something has crashed, send a report to Apple” window might as well be your Desktop Picture." Happen to agree that Launchpad and Mission Control aren't great but that's just my personal opinion. On both machines I upgraded from the previous OS.

roc 15y ago

His having had such problems with XP that he was looking forward to Vista [1] certainly supports that idea. [1] Two assertions I have never, ever heard before.

gacba 15y ago

I wonder if his issues stem from using Lion on older Mac hardware, the same pain point most Vista users had when upgrading on hardware that was clearly not capable of handling it. With that said, Lion runs sweetly on my MBP without any serious issues to date. I bought it brand new with Lion and there haven't been any weird events aside from WiFi cutting out on wake up. 10.7.1 fixed that for me.

yogsototh 15y ago

I have an iMac from 2007. And after upgrading I experienced most of these issues. Even thought I love most of new Lion features. I am happy to know, it works fine for most people. May I try to make a clean install. But if it doesn't work better, I'll have to downgrade. I don't think I have a "strange" configuration. I don't remind playing with the kernel or using very specific configuration.

llambda 15y ago
Try a clean install. As always, this is the preferred method for upgrading. (This is because there can be user-installed software that had explicit dependencies on the older environment.)
- dasil003 15y ago
  And just FYI, to do a clean install with only one download of Lion you need to burn a disk or create a USB stick before you install it because it deletes the installer. See http://lifehacker.com/5823096/how-to-burn-your-own-lion-install-dvd-or-flash-drive http://lifehacker.com/5823096/how-to-burn-your-own-lion-inst...

swlkr 15y ago

I'm guessing he upgraded an older mac. I have a new macbook air and don't have any problem.

voxmatt 15y ago

I agree, I haven't had these issues either. Lion has worked very well for me and my old MacBrook Pro is actually faster because of it. The one persistent bug I have is opening files/links into full-screened apps. For example, clicking a link in Twitter won't switch the screen to Chrome if it's in full-screen and I've had worse problems on that front.

voxmatt 15y ago

I agree, I haven't had these issues either. Lion has worked very well for me and my old MacBook Pro is actually faster because of it. The one persistent bug I have is opening files/links into full-screened apps. For example, clicking a link in Twitter won't switch the screen to Chrome if it's in full-screen and I've had worse problems on that front.

dmazin 15y ago

I have a 2007 white MacBook. Lion runs just great for me.

KirinDave 15y ago

I've experienced my own set of issues (oh god the kernel panics), but really, you haven't experienced anything he mentions? You don't feel like Mission control is a pretty big step backwards from even the old spaces UI (on a single monitor, it is)? You really haven't had problems or questions with the new fullscreen behavior? You think Launchpad is not pointless? You've _never_ had action misses on drag-and-drop to the browser? Sometimes I wonder what people think they could possibly do with legacy configurations to cause problems like the ones described. Is there a com.apple.absurdly-slow-on-3-year-old-hardware.plist you're expecting to find hidden in their ~/Library/Preferences? Pebcac is real, but if the problem exists between the majority of computers and chairs for a given OS release, then maybe it's time to redefine the problem.

watmough 15y ago
Man, this beggars belief. I've never had a kernel panic, ever, except when playing with bad kexts, and when everyone was all gung-ho getting XP running on the first Intel Macs.
vaporstun 15y ago
"I've experienced my own set of issues (oh god the kernel panics), but really, you haven't experienced anything he mentions?" I'm in basically the same boat. I have experienced some issues, but none of the ones he mentions. Further, in my experience anyway, this has been the smoothest major OS version upgrade I've experienced. Obviously that won't be true for everyone, but it is for myself. "You don't feel like Mission control is a pretty big step backwards from even the old spaces UI (on a single monitor, it is)?" I don't personally, but to each his own. I think it is refreshing that they cleaned things up and consolidated what was once multiple disparate UIs (dashboard, expose, and spaces) into a single UI. Formerly, I didn't even try to explain to my wife how to use Spaces because it was just too confusing for her. Now that it's all basically one UI, it is easier to explain and requires no manual configuration. I am a bit annoyed at some minor quirks, like the inability to manually rearrange desktops, but I don't consider it a step back. "You think Launchpad is not pointless?" I just simply don't get this complaint. They added a new feature. If you think it's pointless, ignore it, but what is the point of complaining about a new thing which you are not forced to use which does not deprecate any old feature? Anyway, everyone is certainly welcome to have their complaints, especially someone who has experienced some poor issues, but I agree with the grandparent comment that often someone's configs can get mangled and they can lash out at, in this case, Apple, as though it is entirely their fault. I would be extremely surprised if all of these complaints were entirely valid and the writer of the article were not tinkering with their system intensely to have all these issues pop up.

jsz0 15y ago

Me either. I've upgraded about half a dozen Macs with Lion at this point with no problems at all. The rating for Lion on the Mac App Store is 4 starts with over 150 reviews so it seems to be working well for most people.

Caballera 15y ago

I have to agree, I'm not having any issues with Lion. Everyone I know that has a Mac or Macbook has updated to Lion without any issues and I've heard no complaints. The biggest issue I did see was one friend that had problems with plug-ins for Adobe Illustrator (i think it was) which was fixed within days.

leon_ 15y ago

> Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky Warez. Many expensive applications (especially audio/3d editing software) comes with a dongle. To "crack" the apps people write kernel extensions that simulate such dongles. Mix that with a new kernel and you get the perfect disaster.