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> The same effect could be achieved by skipping the magic rituals and by replacing the therapist by a doctor This is not in evidence and deserves a supporting

> The same effect could be achieved by skipping the magic rituals and by replacing the therapist by a doctor This is not in evidence and deserves a supporting case.

GuB-42 5y ago
Here is my source (in french): https://lepharmachien.com/reiki/ https://lepharmachien.com/reiki/ It is linked to the study here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21531671/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21531671/ This is a bit of an extrapolation from the study. The study just says that real reiki and sham reiki (placebo) work just as well at improving cancer patients comfort, and are better than doing nothing. Now if there is an actual study that compares the efficacy of typical "rushed" care vs a more "holistic" approach by doctors vs alternative therapies, I would be very interested.
- darkerside 5y ago
  I don't know what Reiki is, but maybe it's actually just really easy to learn, and the people who happened to name it don't have a monopoly on the behaviors that it consists of.
  - GuB-42 5y ago
    It is a form of energy healing mediated by touch. Behavior-wise you are just touching people, so yes, really easy, but it is not what reiki is about. In the study, the sham reiki was performed by a non-believer who thought about maths problems while doing his things, as to completely eliminate the spiritual aspect.
    - darkerside 5y ago
      > it is not what reiki is about I guess I'm more concerned with what it actually _is_ than what it is _about_. I can't see how the sham reiki was performed, but if the finding is that comforting touch in a Reiki fashion promotes healing and relief, then great. It's like saying, we're not Agile, we just have our developers constantly talk to our end users, and release code multiple times a day.
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  I can only use translate for the text of the first link, and from the title/abstract of the second both appear to support the portions of your comment I didn’t dispute. I agree with those. To clarify where I take issue, I’ll requote the portion that stands out as unsupported to me: > The same effect could be achieved […] by replacing the therapist by a doctor Therapists, across a wide spectrum of practices and disciplines, are doing a whole job without also addressing their patients’ medical needs. The inverse is true too. While some increased focus on emotional wellbeing by medical practitioners would absolutely be welcome, I think it’s a very bold claim that they could replace therapists even “just” in a medical context. It’s also quite a lot of burden to place on doctors and patients alike. I’m all for doctors appreciating the psychological benefits of emotional care, but I don’t think that’s nearly enough to “replace the therapist”, even if anyone involved actually wanted that.

> The same effect could be achieved by skipping the magic rituals and by replacing the therapist by a doctor This is not in evidence and deserves a supporting case.

GuB-42 5y ago

Here is my source (in french): https://lepharmachien.com/reiki/ https://lepharmachien.com/reiki/ It is linked to the study here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21531671/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21531671/ This is a bit of an extrapolation from the study. The study just says that real reiki and sham reiki (placebo) work just as well at improving cancer patients comfort, and are better than doing nothing. Now if there is an actual study that compares the efficacy of typical "rushed" care vs a more "holistic" approach by doctors vs alternative therapies, I would be very interested.

darkerside 5y ago
I don't know what Reiki is, but maybe it's actually just really easy to learn, and the people who happened to name it don't have a monopoly on the behaviors that it consists of.
- GuB-42 5y ago
  It is a form of energy healing mediated by touch. Behavior-wise you are just touching people, so yes, really easy, but it is not what reiki is about. In the study, the sham reiki was performed by a non-believer who thought about maths problems while doing his things, as to completely eliminate the spiritual aspect.
  - darkerside 5y ago
    > it is not what reiki is about I guess I'm more concerned with what it actually _is_ than what it is _about_. I can't see how the sham reiki was performed, but if the finding is that comforting touch in a Reiki fashion promotes healing and relief, then great. It's like saying, we're not Agile, we just have our developers constantly talk to our end users, and release code multiple times a day.
eyelidlessness 5y ago
I can only use translate for the text of the first link, and from the title/abstract of the second both appear to support the portions of your comment I didn’t dispute. I agree with those. To clarify where I take issue, I’ll requote the portion that stands out as unsupported to me: > The same effect could be achieved […] by replacing the therapist by a doctor Therapists, across a wide spectrum of practices and disciplines, are doing a whole job without also addressing their patients’ medical needs. The inverse is true too. While some increased focus on emotional wellbeing by medical practitioners would absolutely be welcome, I think it’s a very bold claim that they could replace therapists even “just” in a medical context. It’s also quite a lot of burden to place on doctors and patients alike. I’m all for doctors appreciating the psychological benefits of emotional care, but I don’t think that’s nearly enough to “replace the therapist”, even if anyone involved actually wanted that.