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Not really. The Rus empire was a thing, capital was Kyiv. It was a decently large empire that encompassed most of eastern Europe. It certainly encompased Mos
by Mikeb85 5y ago
Not really. The Rus empire was a thing, capital was Kyiv. It was a decently large empire that encompassed most of eastern Europe. It certainly encompased Moscow, Novgorod, etc...
It eventually fell to the Mongols. 2 centuries later Moscow overthrew the Mongols and reunited (and grew) the empire.
There's no continuous history per se, but east slavic peoples (Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian) have always been essentially the same people. The Rus and Russian empires were the same people even if there was an interruption and the capital changed because of historic circumstances.
When my family came to North-America from the Austro-Hungarian empire, they were even known as Rusyn/Ruthenian (they're Ukrainian)... No one has ever disputed that the modern Russian empire represented the same people as the (Kyivan) Rus empire until very recently. Like, I know a bunch of Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Czechs and Slovaks and they can all more or less understand each other. Slavs are far more similar than different (language, culture, food, temperament, etc...).
Edit - it's ok to admit a shared history while also wanting some countries that weren't historically independent to stay independent and forge a new national identity. Trying to rewrite history is petty.
- varjag 5y ago> There's no continuous history per se, but east slavic peoples (Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian) have always been essentially the same people. They appear to you the same due to few centuries of cultural subjugation by one dominant power. Otherwise they are as diverse as anywhere else in Europe. > No one has ever disputed that the modern Russian empire represented the same people as the (Kyivan) Rus empire until very recently. Outside of Russia, few cared for particular details of the founding lore of a backwater empire. Inside the empire, see above.