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Go at it from the other direction: How many people here would use Python on Windows if there were better/more Python tools for Windows?

by mkr-hn 15y ago

dagw 15y ago
Out of curiosity what additional tools to you want. I use Python on Windows and haven't found anything of note missing.
- pointyhat 15y ago
  Quick one from my POV: IDLE is slow as molasses and crashes if you do anything silly. Needs performance and isolation.
  - dagw 15y ago
    IDLE kind of sucks, but ever since I discovered DreamPie and iPython I don't think I've used IDLE even once.
  - zura 15y ago
    Not sure if anyone using or treating IDLE for serious development here, but PyScripter is a quite powerful IDE for Windows.
- St-Clock 15y ago
  > what additional tools to you want A real POSIX shell that isn't slow. A fast gcc and the like. It is a pain to compile psycopg2 and lxml on windows compared to linux. Cygwin and virtual machines are unfortunately too slow when you are used to working in a non-virtualized Linux environment. I'm heavily biased though because once you are addicted to the command line, it becomes very hard to live on Windows :-(
  - bugsbunnyak 15y ago
    IPython doesn't get you POSIX, but it mitigates a lot of the pain. I run it inside console2 and the experience is pretty good. I have grep, gzip, plink, ffmpeg, and a bunch of other command line programs available from gnuwin32 and elsewhere. Given the choice I would use linux, but the most powerful machine I have access to is Win7 and I'm prohibited from changing this :(
    - St-Clock 15y ago
      Thanks for the tips. I may be working soon in a windows shop (who deploys on Linux.. ahhhh) and I'm looking for these tips to stay sane.
      - jcheng 15y ago
        Have you seen PowerShell? It has only shipped with the OS starting with Windows 7, but it's a surprisingly powerful shell--in some ways it looks way more powerful (and complicated) than bash and the like.

Go at it from the other direction: How many people here would use Python on Windows if there were better/more Python tools for Windows?

by mkr-hn 15y ago

Go at it from the other direction: How many people here would use Python on Windows if there were better/more Python tools for Windows?

dagw 15y ago

Out of curiosity what additional tools to you want. I use Python on Windows and haven't found anything of note missing.

pointyhat 15y ago
Quick one from my POV: IDLE is slow as molasses and crashes if you do anything silly. Needs performance and isolation.
- dagw 15y ago
  IDLE kind of sucks, but ever since I discovered DreamPie and iPython I don't think I've used IDLE even once.
- zura 15y ago
  Not sure if anyone using or treating IDLE for serious development here, but PyScripter is a quite powerful IDE for Windows.
St-Clock 15y ago
> what additional tools to you want A real POSIX shell that isn't slow. A fast gcc and the like. It is a pain to compile psycopg2 and lxml on windows compared to linux. Cygwin and virtual machines are unfortunately too slow when you are used to working in a non-virtualized Linux environment. I'm heavily biased though because once you are addicted to the command line, it becomes very hard to live on Windows :-(
- bugsbunnyak 15y ago
  IPython doesn't get you POSIX, but it mitigates a lot of the pain. I run it inside console2 and the experience is pretty good. I have grep, gzip, plink, ffmpeg, and a bunch of other command line programs available from gnuwin32 and elsewhere. Given the choice I would use linux, but the most powerful machine I have access to is Win7 and I'm prohibited from changing this :(
  - St-Clock 15y ago
    Thanks for the tips. I may be working soon in a windows shop (who deploys on Linux.. ahhhh) and I'm looking for these tips to stay sane.
    - jcheng 15y ago
      Have you seen PowerShell? It has only shipped with the OS starting with Windows 7, but it's a surprisingly powerful shell--in some ways it looks way more powerful (and complicated) than bash and the like.