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"I just hope Amazon is able to give their Android tablet a clean and modern design. I still think that the Amazon Kindle is one of the most ugly gadgets on the

by iaskwhy 15y ago

"I just hope Amazon is able to give their Android tablet a clean and modern design. I still think that the Amazon Kindle is one of the most ugly gadgets on the market, despite its mega success." First the Windows Explorer and now this. Design is not minimalism. For something that is not touch-based, the Kindle is actually a very clean and modern device appearance-wise. And it also has great design. A good design is one that is easy to use for a given context, something the Kindle gets right most of the time. If Windows Explorer can get my mother to stop asking how to copy mp3 files from one folder to another than their redesign is a good one as well. Looking good is only a small part of designing something actually.

achompas 15y ago
Looking good is only a small part of designing something actually. Totally agree. After using the Kindle 3 for a few weeks, it's great because it gets out of your way. I've heard complaints about the keyboard, but it's a godsend for an active reader who takes lots of notes (like me).
frou_dh 15y ago
To me the look of the Kindle 3 is pretty good, but the feel of the case and buttons is of extremely cheap creaky plastic.
- evilduck 15y ago
  My Kindle 3 feels very solid, it never creaks or flexes. The top-shell's plastic tactile sensation does literally feel cheap, but I've not had any complaints about its structual build quality or durability. The only issue I've had is that the button lettering paint wears off fairly easily.
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pistoriusp 15y ago
If you compare the Kindle to Ram's ten principles to "good design" it definitely qualifies as a well designed product. Something that I learnt from my fiance, who is a designer, is that most people don't understand design. They understand trends: "This looks similar to all the other popular things that I see, therefore it must be well designed."
- cpeterso 15y ago
  Thanks for the tip re Dieter Rams's ten principles of good design. I hadn't heard about them. http://www.vitsoe.com/en/us/about/dieterrams/gooddesign http://www.vitsoe.com/en/us/about/dieterrams/gooddesign PS: On a side note, I compared Vitsoe's en-gb and en-us versions of this page. Surprisingly, there is a difference. The en-us version omits a section about UK government's "Made by Britain" campaign. :)
woodpanel 15y ago
Thank you. This is the exact same sentence that was bothering me. The kindle would be nerve-wrecking if i had to slide for every new page view. I hope that they don't strip the new kindle of its physical keys. People don't get usability but they get how to impress others. That's why people think it's an improvement if typing on a phones takes thrice the time. It looks cooler. That's why people like driving those new mini coopers, that look cool from the outside but are just a mess in usability.
- leviathant 15y ago
  Re: usability -- Getting OT, but my wife and I are aiming to get a used Mini not because they look cool, but because they're small and fuel efficient. We've driven the Smart car, it's transmission is borderline scary. I would never pay the price a new one costs, but used prices are very reasonable. We have a Dodge Magnum, which is extremely usable, but not so duel efficient, and the size makes it harder to find parking for. Sometimes we need to get somewhere in the city where public transit and taxis don't really make sense. A Mini proves extremely usable in that case. (Okay, so there is also something kind of humorous about having one car named Magnum and another named Mini)
  - cpeterso 15y ago
    My Mini is surprisingly fuel efficient (40+ MPG on the highway), small on the outside, big on the inside, and fun to drive. But as woodpanel said, the Mini is indeed a usability mess inside. Pretty much every switch, button, and knob is a WTF. For a good example, be sure to ask the salesman for a demo of the Mini's satellite radio.
  - woodpanel 15y ago
    OT, but I have to answer! If you live in the US, I'd assume that for you guys there's not so much a difference between a mini and a smart in size, as they are both miniatures compared to a magnum ;-) Here in Europe I see them in different classes. I have driven them both. My experience: - The Mini has a lot more style, comes across as more fun since it has a premium touch (You can see minis in the most expensive neighbourhoods). In action though, almost anything of the pretty stuff sucked. And speaking of the interior's premium touch: it looked good but felt actually kinda cheap. If I want good carpentry for that price, I'd get me a bmw 1. - The mini isn't "mini" at all. upside: feels spacy. downside: you pay a big premium for the brand name, yet it's brand core - being super small - has vanished (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MINIandClassicMini.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MINIandClassicMini.jpg). And it's not cheap! (the smart isn't cheap either but it's definetly small, I have always found parking space near my destination) - it's reenactment of the old mini, seats you very low so you have a hard time guessing where your car's nose exactly is, the nose's roundness makes it worse (the smart simply has no nose). - the front-window is actually kinda small (smart: the front-window feels larger/higher, giving you good vision). the rest of the windows are even smaller, you have a bad idea of what's going on outside (smart: way better) - the rare front-window vision gets wasted by the minis gigantic rear-view mirror and its unbelievable thick frame so even more vision gets wasted - there's a glove box in it, as in any other car. but in the mini it has to be special. so you can't pull it open, you have to push it, and then you have to wait until the hydraulics push the cover away. It brings so much joy at the toll booths ;-) - the arm rest is rendered useless by it's integrated ipod-docking station, becuase its cover always sweeps open. - the big tachometer in the middle of the console was at first confusing, then annoying, yet hard to ignore, since once in a while some functions are only accessible through it. it has a terrible ui. i'm sure in the future there will be a mini version where you have to swipe your left window, to make your turn signals flash. - the uselessness of the big tachometer is proven by the real tachometer that is mounted on the steering wheel (the mounting gives it an even cheaper feel) - the buttons in the center-console were mentioned. they suck. you have buttons, and then you have rings between the buttons, thus the main advantage of buttons (using them while not looking at them) is gone. - it might be a classic mini feature, but putting the window lifter buttons in the center console makes the co-driver's arm getting in the way of the driver, who gets interrupted operating the shifter (ok, not a problem in the US). - disco lights. you pay the price of an bmw and have to know that some of that money went into those interior neon-lights. Those lights are indirect, so the actual bulb is covered while the light is emitted through some sort of tray. the result: black holes in your side shelf. things that fall into that are lost forever ;-) - (many more points) If you buy a mini, you pay for the reputation of it's past models, which was built on functionality and price. You pay for what it reenacts, but not what it is. A smart isn't cheaper, but functional - and what makes me fall in love with it, when compared to the new mini: the smart dosn't acts to be something it isnt. There's no retro looking fake-metal dashboard made out of plastic.

by iaskwhy 15y ago

achompas 15y ago

Looking good is only a small part of designing something actually. Totally agree. After using the Kindle 3 for a few weeks, it's great because it gets out of your way. I've heard complaints about the keyboard, but it's a godsend for an active reader who takes lots of notes (like me).

frou_dh 15y ago

To me the look of the Kindle 3 is pretty good, but the feel of the case and buttons is of extremely cheap creaky plastic.

evilduck 15y ago
My Kindle 3 feels very solid, it never creaks or flexes. The top-shell's plastic tactile sensation does literally feel cheap, but I've not had any complaints about its structual build quality or durability. The only issue I've had is that the button lettering paint wears off fairly easily.

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pistoriusp 15y ago

If you compare the Kindle to Ram's ten principles to "good design" it definitely qualifies as a well designed product. Something that I learnt from my fiance, who is a designer, is that most people don't understand design. They understand trends: "This looks similar to all the other popular things that I see, therefore it must be well designed."

cpeterso 15y ago
Thanks for the tip re Dieter Rams's ten principles of good design. I hadn't heard about them. http://www.vitsoe.com/en/us/about/dieterrams/gooddesign http://www.vitsoe.com/en/us/about/dieterrams/gooddesign PS: On a side note, I compared Vitsoe's en-gb and en-us versions of this page. Surprisingly, there is a difference. The en-us version omits a section about UK government's "Made by Britain" campaign. :)

woodpanel 15y ago

Thank you. This is the exact same sentence that was bothering me. The kindle would be nerve-wrecking if i had to slide for every new page view. I hope that they don't strip the new kindle of its physical keys. People don't get usability but they get how to impress others. That's why people think it's an improvement if typing on a phones takes thrice the time. It looks cooler. That's why people like driving those new mini coopers, that look cool from the outside but are just a mess in usability.

leviathant 15y ago
Re: usability -- Getting OT, but my wife and I are aiming to get a used Mini not because they look cool, but because they're small and fuel efficient. We've driven the Smart car, it's transmission is borderline scary. I would never pay the price a new one costs, but used prices are very reasonable. We have a Dodge Magnum, which is extremely usable, but not so duel efficient, and the size makes it harder to find parking for. Sometimes we need to get somewhere in the city where public transit and taxis don't really make sense. A Mini proves extremely usable in that case. (Okay, so there is also something kind of humorous about having one car named Magnum and another named Mini)
- cpeterso 15y ago
  My Mini is surprisingly fuel efficient (40+ MPG on the highway), small on the outside, big on the inside, and fun to drive. But as woodpanel said, the Mini is indeed a usability mess inside. Pretty much every switch, button, and knob is a WTF. For a good example, be sure to ask the salesman for a demo of the Mini's satellite radio.
- woodpanel 15y ago
  OT, but I have to answer! If you live in the US, I'd assume that for you guys there's not so much a difference between a mini and a smart in size, as they are both miniatures compared to a magnum ;-) Here in Europe I see them in different classes. I have driven them both. My experience: - The Mini has a lot more style, comes across as more fun since it has a premium touch (You can see minis in the most expensive neighbourhoods). In action though, almost anything of the pretty stuff sucked. And speaking of the interior's premium touch: it looked good but felt actually kinda cheap. If I want good carpentry for that price, I'd get me a bmw 1. - The mini isn't "mini" at all. upside: feels spacy. downside: you pay a big premium for the brand name, yet it's brand core - being super small - has vanished (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MINIandClassicMini.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MINIandClassicMini.jpg). And it's not cheap! (the smart isn't cheap either but it's definetly small, I have always found parking space near my destination) - it's reenactment of the old mini, seats you very low so you have a hard time guessing where your car's nose exactly is, the nose's roundness makes it worse (the smart simply has no nose). - the front-window is actually kinda small (smart: the front-window feels larger/higher, giving you good vision). the rest of the windows are even smaller, you have a bad idea of what's going on outside (smart: way better) - the rare front-window vision gets wasted by the minis gigantic rear-view mirror and its unbelievable thick frame so even more vision gets wasted - there's a glove box in it, as in any other car. but in the mini it has to be special. so you can't pull it open, you have to push it, and then you have to wait until the hydraulics push the cover away. It brings so much joy at the toll booths ;-) - the arm rest is rendered useless by it's integrated ipod-docking station, becuase its cover always sweeps open. - the big tachometer in the middle of the console was at first confusing, then annoying, yet hard to ignore, since once in a while some functions are only accessible through it. it has a terrible ui. i'm sure in the future there will be a mini version where you have to swipe your left window, to make your turn signals flash. - the uselessness of the big tachometer is proven by the real tachometer that is mounted on the steering wheel (the mounting gives it an even cheaper feel) - the buttons in the center-console were mentioned. they suck. you have buttons, and then you have rings between the buttons, thus the main advantage of buttons (using them while not looking at them) is gone. - it might be a classic mini feature, but putting the window lifter buttons in the center console makes the co-driver's arm getting in the way of the driver, who gets interrupted operating the shifter (ok, not a problem in the US). - disco lights. you pay the price of an bmw and have to know that some of that money went into those interior neon-lights. Those lights are indirect, so the actual bulb is covered while the light is emitted through some sort of tray. the result: black holes in your side shelf. things that fall into that are lost forever ;-) - (many more points) If you buy a mini, you pay for the reputation of it's past models, which was built on functionality and price. You pay for what it reenacts, but not what it is. A smart isn't cheaper, but functional - and what makes me fall in love with it, when compared to the new mini: the smart dosn't acts to be something it isnt. There's no retro looking fake-metal dashboard made out of plastic.