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Anything that holds value is a self-paying bug bounty.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Anything that holds value is a self-paying bug bounty Most valuables have means for recourse. Crypto’s pitch is that it circumvents these mechanisms.
- repomies69 5y ago
  I think hacking about any service will provide valuable data, which can be sold at darknet marketplaces. I read somewhere that there is a marketplace just for hacked server credentials as well.
- gruez 5y ago
  >Most valuables have means for recourse Most valuables? I think most financial assets have means for recourse, but if your gold bars/jewellery gets stolen, it's as good as gone.
  - rsynnott 5y ago
    If you have literal gold bars, they are almost certainly in an insured facility; actual risk to you, the owner of the gold bars, is limited. I mean, if you have them on your _house_ then this applies, but people typically don't.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > if your gold bars/jewellery gets stolen, it's as good as gone Which is why society stopped storing meaningful quantities of value in gold generations ago.
    - midasuni 5y ago
      One of the reasons. The ability to exchange cheaply and quickly is another reason, di visibility another one
    - tshaddox 5y ago
      Surely there is more value stored in gold now than generations ago, right?
    - canjobear 5y ago
      On the list of reasons for why we switched away from the gold standard and gold coinage, this is probably not even in the top 10.
    - dmingod666 5y ago
      Vast quantities of gold hold value still in the same way as before, only that it's done by very large organisations. This too is a western phenomenon. Indian Households currently own 25,000 tons of gold( one of the largest reserves anywhere) - China isn't too far behind AFAIR.
      - humaniania 5y ago
        That's because those countries have the largest populations of new money rubes to sucker into buying shiny objects.
        dmingod666 5y ago
        Oh, the contemptuous disdain dripping in this comment.. somehow feels like the early 1900s pride of the British Empire.. just sounds very awful tbh.
    - toomanydoubts 5y ago
      No. That's why we created banks to store this gold. The reason we moved to paper and digital currencies was so governments and banks could create money out of thin air.
      - janoc 5y ago
        I thought we did it (actually the ancient Chinese did) so that we don't have to pay in bags, wheelbarrows and horse carts of heavy (as in mass) metals whenever larger transaction needed to be made? But what do I know, conspiring about evil governments & banks trying to print money out of thin air is a much more sensible argument, right? Just as there is an article on the front page on Tether "minting" a billion USD equivalent Tether out of literally thin air ...
        toomanydoubts 5y ago
        Well, partially correct. It was a quality-of-life thing until the banksters realized they could let out more IOUs than gold they had in the vault. From there on, it would only be a matter of time till the gold-standard becomes abolished, giving governments and banks the ability to print money at will. Tether coins are basically the same thing. You still have to trust the neo-banks to still be holding your actual dollars somewhere in their vault. I don't, that's why I prefer not to buy bogus coins.
    - reginold 5y ago
      USA stopped storing meaningful quantities of gold in 1971, to be more precise. 50 years exactly. https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/ https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
  - ryanlol 5y ago
    What means for recourse do most financial assets have? If a business falls victim to a BEC scheme that money is gone and nobody will reimburse them. If you as an individual fall for a craigslist scam, your money is gone.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  My stolen bicycles would like to have a word.
- deleted 5y ago
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> Anything that holds value is a self-paying bug bounty Most valuables have means for recourse. Crypto’s pitch is that it circumvents these mechanisms.

repomies69 5y ago
I think hacking about any service will provide valuable data, which can be sold at darknet marketplaces. I read somewhere that there is a marketplace just for hacked server credentials as well.
gruez 5y ago
>Most valuables have means for recourse Most valuables? I think most financial assets have means for recourse, but if your gold bars/jewellery gets stolen, it's as good as gone.
- rsynnott 5y ago
  If you have literal gold bars, they are almost certainly in an insured facility; actual risk to you, the owner of the gold bars, is limited. I mean, if you have them on your _house_ then this applies, but people typically don't.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > if your gold bars/jewellery gets stolen, it's as good as gone Which is why society stopped storing meaningful quantities of value in gold generations ago.
  - midasuni 5y ago
    One of the reasons. The ability to exchange cheaply and quickly is another reason, di visibility another one
  - tshaddox 5y ago
    Surely there is more value stored in gold now than generations ago, right?
  - canjobear 5y ago
    On the list of reasons for why we switched away from the gold standard and gold coinage, this is probably not even in the top 10.
  - dmingod666 5y ago
    Vast quantities of gold hold value still in the same way as before, only that it's done by very large organisations. This too is a western phenomenon. Indian Households currently own 25,000 tons of gold( one of the largest reserves anywhere) - China isn't too far behind AFAIR.
    - humaniania 5y ago
      That's because those countries have the largest populations of new money rubes to sucker into buying shiny objects.
      - dmingod666 5y ago
        Oh, the contemptuous disdain dripping in this comment.. somehow feels like the early 1900s pride of the British Empire.. just sounds very awful tbh.
  - toomanydoubts 5y ago
    No. That's why we created banks to store this gold. The reason we moved to paper and digital currencies was so governments and banks could create money out of thin air.
    - janoc 5y ago
      I thought we did it (actually the ancient Chinese did) so that we don't have to pay in bags, wheelbarrows and horse carts of heavy (as in mass) metals whenever larger transaction needed to be made? But what do I know, conspiring about evil governments & banks trying to print money out of thin air is a much more sensible argument, right? Just as there is an article on the front page on Tether "minting" a billion USD equivalent Tether out of literally thin air ...
      - toomanydoubts 5y ago
        Well, partially correct. It was a quality-of-life thing until the banksters realized they could let out more IOUs than gold they had in the vault. From there on, it would only be a matter of time till the gold-standard becomes abolished, giving governments and banks the ability to print money at will. Tether coins are basically the same thing. You still have to trust the neo-banks to still be holding your actual dollars somewhere in their vault. I don't, that's why I prefer not to buy bogus coins.
  - reginold 5y ago
    USA stopped storing meaningful quantities of gold in 1971, to be more precise. 50 years exactly. https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/ https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
- ryanlol 5y ago
  What means for recourse do most financial assets have? If a business falls victim to a BEC scheme that money is gone and nobody will reimburse them. If you as an individual fall for a craigslist scam, your money is gone.
kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
My stolen bicycles would like to have a word.
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