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Oh god, no! If they rather fixed the eye-stinging bugs instead of creating other hundreds of them.

akie 15y ago
I work with PHP daily and do not know of what you speak. Haters be hatin', but your 'eye-stinging bugs' are unknown to me. Care to provide some examples? You are probably referring to the mountains of crappy PHP code? About the inconsistent order of 'haystack' and 'needle', or the lack of a common policy on whether or not to use a underscore as separator? Those are valid complaints, but no argument against improvement of the language. On the contrary, I would say.
- apgwoz 15y ago
  I think he's referring to bugs such as breaking crypt() when using an md5 hash as a salt, and other things of that nature.
  - troels 15y ago
    That was fixed pretty fast though (Notwithstanding that it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but hey)
    - apgwoz 15y ago
      Sure, but when a bug like that occurs it gets "mainstream" press and PHP haters everywhere add it as part of the book of "Ugh, PHP Y U So Horrible?"
      - apgwoz 15y ago
        downvoters: If you disagree, at least tell me why...
- rmccue 15y ago
  There's a fairly consistent order of haystack/needle, but it depends on what the function does (i.e. string functions vs. array functions). It is fairly annoying to have any differences, but it's fairly easy to remember them.
okal 15y ago
Could just be me, but it seems like there's a decided bias against PHP on a lot of HN threads. As someone who uses PHP on a regular basis, I'd love it if you could point out some of these "eye stinging bugs". I experiment a LOT with other languages and I don't find anything lacking in PHP that I need in a scripting language. I've never been unable to accomplish anything that I needed to in it, and I personally don't recall ever having to resort to unsightly hacks. All this whining is getting rather old. PHP is not Clojure, Ruby, Node or [insert your favorite language/tech here], and guess what? Some of us like that, a lot.

akie 15y ago

I work with PHP daily and do not know of what you speak. Haters be hatin', but your 'eye-stinging bugs' are unknown to me. Care to provide some examples? You are probably referring to the mountains of crappy PHP code? About the inconsistent order of 'haystack' and 'needle', or the lack of a common policy on whether or not to use a underscore as separator? Those are valid complaints, but no argument against improvement of the language. On the contrary, I would say.

apgwoz 15y ago
I think he's referring to bugs such as breaking crypt() when using an md5 hash as a salt, and other things of that nature.
- troels 15y ago
  That was fixed pretty fast though (Notwithstanding that it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but hey)
  - apgwoz 15y ago
    Sure, but when a bug like that occurs it gets "mainstream" press and PHP haters everywhere add it as part of the book of "Ugh, PHP Y U So Horrible?"
    - apgwoz 15y ago
      downvoters: If you disagree, at least tell me why...
rmccue 15y ago
There's a fairly consistent order of haystack/needle, but it depends on what the function does (i.e. string functions vs. array functions). It is fairly annoying to have any differences, but it's fairly easy to remember them.

okal 15y ago

Could just be me, but it seems like there's a decided bias against PHP on a lot of HN threads. As someone who uses PHP on a regular basis, I'd love it if you could point out some of these "eye stinging bugs". I experiment a LOT with other languages and I don't find anything lacking in PHP that I need in a scripting language. I've never been unable to accomplish anything that I needed to in it, and I personally don't recall ever having to resort to unsightly hacks. All this whining is getting rather old. PHP is not Clojure, Ruby, Node or [insert your favorite language/tech here], and guess what? Some of us like that, a lot.