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AKA heroin. Heroin smugglers in east Asia tend to get executed.

smnrchrds 5y ago
Not in Japan. Not in South Korea (the law is still on the books, but no one has been executed for drug offences since 1997). Not in Taiwan (like SK, no one has been executed for drug offences since 2002). Developed democratic East Asian countries have phased out death penalty for drug offences. And it should go without saying that Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan have not been overrun with addiction epidemic or withered and burned to the ground as a result of not having death penalty for drug offences. The cruelty of death penalty is unnecessary. It makes politicians look good to a certain audience, but beyond that, it doesn't do much.
- nowherebeen 5y ago
  Japan and Taiwan are islands. South Korea has a strict border (DMV) with North Korea. All three countries don’t need to worry about neighbouring countries smuggling drugs into theirs. That is not the case with Singapore. Both Thailand and Burma produce a lot of drugs that end up in their city.
  - smnrchrds 5y ago
    I find it hard to believe that Japan—with its well-known and historically powerful organized crime—is somehow immune from the possibility of drug manufacturing within its borders or smuggling from abroad. Yakuza's Wikipedia page confirms my suspicion that organized crime groups do both of those things in Japan.
    - fomine3 5y ago
      This account introduces how criminals import drugs. (ja) https://twitter.com/Custom_kun https://twitter.com/Custom_kun
    - nowherebeen 5y ago
      And how much do you think it costs to ship those drugs compare to a land border? And in what quantity? It’s basic economics. The Wikipedia page doesn’t even mention how much they earn from it and some gangs even outright ban it. That already tells you it ain’t mainstream.
      - smnrchrds 5y ago
        Is there any for me to win this argument? I don't know what the status of the drug trade is in Japan. But I imagine that if it is mainstream, you would argue it's all because they've eliminated death penalty and has nothing to do with Japan being an island; and if it is not mainstream, you would say it has nothing to do with not having death penalty, but with Japan being an island. In no case, no matter what information we get from Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea, would you be convinced that death penalty is cruel and pointless.
        nowherebeen 5y ago
        > you would argue it's all because they've eliminated death penalty and has nothing to do with Japan being an island I am not advocating for death penalty. I am simply pointing out your arguments are incorrect. > In no case, no matter what information we get from Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea, would you be convinced that death penalty is cruel and pointless. I personally have no opinion on death penalty. I would prefer it did not exists (not that it is any of your business). It seems like you are trying to win the argument simply based on your beliefs rather than on reasoning. You assumed I was pro death penalty and did a quick google search to justify your opinion. This says enough about your reasoning, don't you think? Making this a very boring argument.
  - petre 5y ago
    Actually Japan is a very lucrative market for Asian drug dealers, because the price of drugs is so high there and they're pushing mainly synthetic drugs which are are quite cheap to produce compared to heroin, so they can afford losing some shipments. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/meth-syndicate/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/meth-syn... "The wholesale price of a kilo of crystal meth produced in northeastern Myanmar is as little as $1,800, according to a UNODC report citing the China National Narcotics Control Commission. Average retail prices for crystal meth, according to the UN agency, are equivalent to $70,500 per kilo in Thailand, $298,000 per kilo in Australia and $588,000 in Japan. For the Japanese market, that’s more than a three-hundred-fold mark-up."

Not in Japan. Not in South Korea (the law is still on the books, but no one has been executed for drug offences since 1997). Not in Taiwan (like SK, no one has been executed for drug offences since 2002). Developed democratic East Asian countries have phased out death penalty for drug offences. And it should go without saying that Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan have not been overrun with addiction epidemic or withered and burned to the ground as a result of not having death penalty for drug offences. The cruelty of death penalty is unnecessary. It makes politicians look good to a certain audience, but beyond that, it doesn't do much.

nowherebeen 5y ago
Japan and Taiwan are islands. South Korea has a strict border (DMV) with North Korea. All three countries don’t need to worry about neighbouring countries smuggling drugs into theirs. That is not the case with Singapore. Both Thailand and Burma produce a lot of drugs that end up in their city.
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  I find it hard to believe that Japan—with its well-known and historically powerful organized crime—is somehow immune from the possibility of drug manufacturing within its borders or smuggling from abroad. Yakuza's Wikipedia page confirms my suspicion that organized crime groups do both of those things in Japan.
  - fomine3 5y ago
    This account introduces how criminals import drugs. (ja) https://twitter.com/Custom_kun https://twitter.com/Custom_kun
  - nowherebeen 5y ago
    And how much do you think it costs to ship those drugs compare to a land border? And in what quantity? It’s basic economics. The Wikipedia page doesn’t even mention how much they earn from it and some gangs even outright ban it. That already tells you it ain’t mainstream.
    - smnrchrds 5y ago
      Is there any for me to win this argument? I don't know what the status of the drug trade is in Japan. But I imagine that if it is mainstream, you would argue it's all because they've eliminated death penalty and has nothing to do with Japan being an island; and if it is not mainstream, you would say it has nothing to do with not having death penalty, but with Japan being an island. In no case, no matter what information we get from Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea, would you be convinced that death penalty is cruel and pointless.
      - nowherebeen 5y ago
        > you would argue it's all because they've eliminated death penalty and has nothing to do with Japan being an island I am not advocating for death penalty. I am simply pointing out your arguments are incorrect. > In no case, no matter what information we get from Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea, would you be convinced that death penalty is cruel and pointless. I personally have no opinion on death penalty. I would prefer it did not exists (not that it is any of your business). It seems like you are trying to win the argument simply based on your beliefs rather than on reasoning. You assumed I was pro death penalty and did a quick google search to justify your opinion. This says enough about your reasoning, don't you think? Making this a very boring argument.
- petre 5y ago
  Actually Japan is a very lucrative market for Asian drug dealers, because the price of drugs is so high there and they're pushing mainly synthetic drugs which are are quite cheap to produce compared to heroin, so they can afford losing some shipments. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/meth-syndicate/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/meth-syn... "The wholesale price of a kilo of crystal meth produced in northeastern Myanmar is as little as $1,800, according to a UNODC report citing the China National Narcotics Control Commission. Average retail prices for crystal meth, according to the UN agency, are equivalent to $70,500 per kilo in Thailand, $298,000 per kilo in Australia and $588,000 in Japan. For the Japanese market, that’s more than a three-hundred-fold mark-up."