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Receiving a funeral wreath and books on dealing with the death of a spouse seems not laughable to me. Same for being tailed by a van, then an SUV later. Have

by tyingq 5y ago

Receiving a funeral wreath and books on dealing with the death of a spouse seems not laughable to me. Same for being tailed by a van, then an SUV later. Have a look at the website(s) for "Progressive Force Concepts". They don't seem like your average prankster. Edit: The scary part to me isn't just what Progressive Force Concepts might do within the bounds of whatever their internal guidelines are. Those are bad enough. But, it looks like a paramilitary organization. The pool of people they hire from is loaded with people that are likely to do whatever they want.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
You're hand wringing over the implications of some unwanted flowers and books. I feel very, very comfortably saying that the overwhelming majority of people in the country wouldn't take the threat seriously until the van showed up and they'd rather receive bad stuff in the mail than have dog poo left on their front steps, their car keyed or any of the myriad of other ways people harass each other that leave the victim with a much more unpleasant or costly mess to clean up. My point is that this kind of behavior is only harassment relative to a low baseline. I don't live somewhere particularly lawless but even here I think most people would just be confused by the mail stuff and their first reaction to the sketchy van would be to either skip town or go down the the police station and try and tell them they're tailing the wrong guy (depending on how squeaky clean you are). The kind of people who don't give you due-ish process don't roll in a new-ish rental van. Not to say that these people weren't harassed (they most certainly were), part of the reason people spend millions to buy into somewhere like Natick is expressly because it's high class, lots of cops, nice and quiet, nobody ever settles disputes with threat of violence, etc, etc. But living somewhere so mild like that made them very easy for a malicious actor to get under the skin of because anything that doesn't take the form of a sternly worded letter from the someone's lawyer is so foreign in that context. Edit: and to preempt the inevitable low effort replies, I'm not victim blaming here. I don't give two craps about these people. I'm just somewhat amused by how relative things like harassment are.

by tyingq 5y ago

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

You're hand wringing over the implications of some unwanted flowers and books. I feel very, very comfortably saying that the overwhelming majority of people in the country wouldn't take the threat seriously until the van showed up and they'd rather receive bad stuff in the mail than have dog poo left on their front steps, their car keyed or any of the myriad of other ways people harass each other that leave the victim with a much more unpleasant or costly mess to clean up. My point is that this kind of behavior is only harassment relative to a low baseline. I don't live somewhere particularly lawless but even here I think most people would just be confused by the mail stuff and their first reaction to the sketchy van would be to either skip town or go down the the police station and try and tell them they're tailing the wrong guy (depending on how squeaky clean you are). The kind of people who don't give you due-ish process don't roll in a new-ish rental van. Not to say that these people weren't harassed (they most certainly were), part of the reason people spend millions to buy into somewhere like Natick is expressly because it's high class, lots of cops, nice and quiet, nobody ever settles disputes with threat of violence, etc, etc. But living somewhere so mild like that made them very easy for a malicious actor to get under the skin of because anything that doesn't take the form of a sternly worded letter from the someone's lawyer is so foreign in that context. Edit: and to preempt the inevitable low effort replies, I'm not victim blaming here. I don't give two craps about these people. I'm just somewhat amused by how relative things like harassment are.