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The UK and US are actually in the minority when it comes to compulsory national ID, albeit in good company. [0] I don't really have a value judgement on this, b

The UK and US are actually in the minority when it comes to compulsory national ID, albeit in good company. [0] I don't really have a value judgement on this, but would like to note, that both the UK and US have some of the most advanced surveillance states in the world, something that countries like China can only aspire to. If there is a red line drawn in the sand, you forgot to check your back. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card_policies_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card...

avianlyric 5y ago
> UK and US have some of the most advanced surveillance states in the world, something that countries like China can only aspire to. I think that’s a little hyperbolic, the U.K. and US certainly have large surveillance states built in secret out of the public eye and public scrutiny. But China is on a completely different level, if you don’t think that’s true, then research the prevalent use of facial recognition, and the extreme forms of surveillance applied to minority populations like Uighurs. Everything in the U.K. pales in comparison. Before you bring up the topic of CCTV and facial recognition trials, almost all CCTV in the U.K. is privately owned and inaccessible to the state without a warrant. It certainly isn’t networked into some super surveillance hub. And the facial recognition trials have been a complete farce, more a demonstration of police incompetence, than state surveillance.
- bakuninsbart 5y ago
  China is indeed aspiring to copy western countries surveillance state, and taking it much further, but you are overestimating the infrastructure and data sharing already in place. The often discussed social credit system for example will start national operation soon, but in its absence, there is no national credit system. Ant Group was recently busted by regulators for not sharing credit data with the state [0] Facial recognition is very advanced in Xinjiang and first/second tier cities, but it is usually localized and data sharing between agencies seems very low. Life in China is full of legal grey zones, as is typical in developing countries, with things technically being not legal, but no one is there to enforce it. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/23/ant-group-to-share-consumer-credit-data-with-chinas-central-bank.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/23/ant-group-to-share-consumer-...
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  > inaccessible to the state without a warrant I don't think that's quite accurate; I think it's true that the state can't compel access without a warrant, but in general shopkeepers quite like policemen, and will share their footage vountarily.
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avianlyric 5y ago

> UK and US have some of the most advanced surveillance states in the world, something that countries like China can only aspire to. I think that’s a little hyperbolic, the U.K. and US certainly have large surveillance states built in secret out of the public eye and public scrutiny. But China is on a completely different level, if you don’t think that’s true, then research the prevalent use of facial recognition, and the extreme forms of surveillance applied to minority populations like Uighurs. Everything in the U.K. pales in comparison. Before you bring up the topic of CCTV and facial recognition trials, almost all CCTV in the U.K. is privately owned and inaccessible to the state without a warrant. It certainly isn’t networked into some super surveillance hub. And the facial recognition trials have been a complete farce, more a demonstration of police incompetence, than state surveillance.

bakuninsbart 5y ago
China is indeed aspiring to copy western countries surveillance state, and taking it much further, but you are overestimating the infrastructure and data sharing already in place. The often discussed social credit system for example will start national operation soon, but in its absence, there is no national credit system. Ant Group was recently busted by regulators for not sharing credit data with the state [0] Facial recognition is very advanced in Xinjiang and first/second tier cities, but it is usually localized and data sharing between agencies seems very low. Life in China is full of legal grey zones, as is typical in developing countries, with things technically being not legal, but no one is there to enforce it. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/23/ant-group-to-share-consumer-credit-data-with-chinas-central-bank.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/23/ant-group-to-share-consumer-...
denton-scratch 5y ago
> inaccessible to the state without a warrant I don't think that's quite accurate; I think it's true that the state can't compel access without a warrant, but in general shopkeepers quite like policemen, and will share their footage vountarily.

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