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Programming War Stories: macOS Freeware/Shareware (2019)

0des 5y ago
Somewhat in this same vein, it's a shame that clients and networks like Hotline/Curaco/BigRedH went under. I think it would be very popular today. People are still on KDX and preterhuman still has a tracker, but the experience these days is not the same. I still wonder sometimes what hinks is up to these days.
- gregsadetsky 5y ago
  I miss Hotline [0] and spent many years running a small community server & making friends on other servers (some which I found by running nmap on port 5500...!) Thanks for the reminder, and I'm always happy to give it / its developer Adam Hinkley a shout out. Speaking of which, as someone was asking here in 2013 [1], whatever happened to him? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotline_Communications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotline_Communications [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5690832 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5690832
  - 0des 5y ago
    as far as I can remember, he got in some shit for encrypting source code [0] and then absconding, then 9/11 happened and not sure after that. The most recent things I can find are defunct [1], but there is a LinkedIn listing (that I cant see). Maybe someone with a LinkedIn account can post their findings. [2] The comments in the slashdot thread and the court papers [3] sure are interesting. [0] - https://www.salon.com/1999/02/25/feature_224/ https://www.salon.com/1999/02/25/feature_224/ [1] - https://slashdot.org/story/01/04/09/1639212/adam-hinkleys-ip-hindsights https://slashdot.org/story/01/04/09/1639212/adam-hinkleys-ip... [2] - nope, wrong guy [3] - http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VSC/2001/91.html http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VSC/... p.s. Do you think one of us should make another Ask HN post and see if anybody has contact with him? The site is kind of big these days, and I doubt anybody would vote it up unless they recognized the name, but it could be worth a shot. I don't even know what I'd ask or say if we did find him though. Probably thanks for the memories, and wanting to know what he's up to these days.
    - jamesfmilne 5y ago
      That LinkedIn profile is almost certainly not the same guy.
      - 0des 5y ago
        I don't have LinkedIn, so I just figured I'd throw it out there as it was the #1 search result. He'd be like what, 40 years old these days?
    - gregsadetsky 5y ago
      I doubt that LinkedIn profile is the right Adam Hinkley. Apart from living/working in Australia, none of the biographical details really match. And yeah, I think that it's worth doing another Ask, in case something comes up. Just posted it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29478266 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29478266
      - 0des 5y ago
        It didn't work :/ There's always next time. Until then, my friend!
        gregsadetsky 5y ago
        Cheers! Maybe at a later date…
  - spatulon 5y ago
    After Hotline there was Haxial KDX, which was similar and thought to be written by Hinkley.
  - scroot 5y ago
    Hotline was awesome. In the mid to late 90s, it might have been my primary online activity besides AIM. I used to get all kinds of electronic music samples from various servers. It was a great way to discover random music as well.
- sneak 5y ago
  This makes me miss my earliest internet friends from the EFNet mac underground (#macfiles, #macwarez, #macdev, et c). The internet was a different place then. (If you were a regular in any of those places, write me - my email's in my profile.) There were also a number of really cool FirstClass BBSes around in that era, though cracking and configuring FirstClass was a bit of an involved process at the time. (IIRC the Hotline server was free?)
  - gregsadetsky 5y ago
    Ah yes FirstClass!! Spent sooooooo much time using it as my local Macintosh User Group was mostly based around it. I even remember meeting with one of their reps (at a conference..? it's been too long ago) and bringing a list of grievances / bugs that we found, mostly on the server side. And yes, FirstClass had a convoluted-ish serial number / activation? process as far as I remember, while Hotline server was either free or could easily be found around.
vladstudio 5y ago
Unrelated, but it makes me will warm and fuzzy inside to see my very old picture used as this website' background [0]. 0: https://vlad.studio/wallpaper/tend_to_zero_hot https://vlad.studio/wallpaper/tend_to_zero_hot
- verst 5y ago
  That reminded me that I have a lifetime Premium Subscription to your wallpapers I bought in 2009 (which already is many many years after first discovering your wallpapers). I still love your artwork. Now to figure out which wallpaper to use... :)
  - vladstudio 5y ago
    yeah i am that old :-)
    - verst 5y ago
      By the way, just installed your new tab page extension and love it. Seriously! Even left you a review on the Chrome Webstore :)
      - vladstudio 5y ago
        so that was you :-) thanks!
  - filmgirlcw 5y ago
    Hah, and I checked and I did too, in 2008! Thank you Vlad! And hi Bernd!
    - verst 5y ago
      Hi Christina :)
datavirtue 5y ago
Love these. I need to write mine up.
- kiawe_fire 5y ago
  Please do! I love reading these, and the fewer stories lost to time, the better.
  - codazoda 5y ago
    You might like my post, “How to Lose Money with 25 Years of Failed Businesses” where I talk about a couple of my old shareware programs and the things that lead to their demise. https://joeldare.com/how-to-lose-money-with-25-years-of-failed-businesses.html https://joeldare.com/how-to-lose-money-with-25-years-of-fail...
vkoskiv 5y ago
I have JPEGView installed on most of my vintage Mac collection (that can display colors, anyway) I'm pretty sure I wasn't even born when that software was the latest and greatest!
- worker767424 5y ago
  Probably should send the man a postcard.
andrelaszlo 5y ago
I wonder if his girlfriend ever came back from France.
- na85 5y ago
  I wondered, too, so I went digging and discovered [0] that he took an opportunity to work at CERN and thereafter refers to "we" and the page ends with the birth of their son. Happy ending :) [0] https://aarongiles.com/about/ https://aarongiles.com/about/
  - andrelaszlo 5y ago
    Thank you! <3
rurban 5y ago
But this really is one of the least interesting war stories on his page. Be sure to read his Microsoft story.
mrpippy 5y ago
Aaron Giles' last day at Microsoft was last week; he had been there since the Connectix acquisition in 2003: https://twitter.com/aaronsgiles/status/1466905093819805696 https://twitter.com/aaronsgiles/status/1466905093819805696 Also, he's cataloging and scanning all 5000+ of the JPEGView postcards: https://twitter.com/aaronsgiles/status/1467061561395060738 https://twitter.com/aaronsgiles/status/1467061561395060738

0des 5y ago

Somewhat in this same vein, it's a shame that clients and networks like Hotline/Curaco/BigRedH went under. I think it would be very popular today. People are still on KDX and preterhuman still has a tracker, but the experience these days is not the same. I still wonder sometimes what hinks is up to these days.

gregsadetsky 5y ago
I miss Hotline [0] and spent many years running a small community server & making friends on other servers (some which I found by running nmap on port 5500...!) Thanks for the reminder, and I'm always happy to give it / its developer Adam Hinkley a shout out. Speaking of which, as someone was asking here in 2013 [1], whatever happened to him? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotline_Communications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotline_Communications [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5690832 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5690832
- 0des 5y ago
  as far as I can remember, he got in some shit for encrypting source code [0] and then absconding, then 9/11 happened and not sure after that. The most recent things I can find are defunct [1], but there is a LinkedIn listing (that I cant see). Maybe someone with a LinkedIn account can post their findings. [2] The comments in the slashdot thread and the court papers [3] sure are interesting. [0] - https://www.salon.com/1999/02/25/feature_224/ https://www.salon.com/1999/02/25/feature_224/ [1] - https://slashdot.org/story/01/04/09/1639212/adam-hinkleys-ip-hindsights https://slashdot.org/story/01/04/09/1639212/adam-hinkleys-ip... [2] - nope, wrong guy [3] - http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VSC/2001/91.html http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VSC/... p.s. Do you think one of us should make another Ask HN post and see if anybody has contact with him? The site is kind of big these days, and I doubt anybody would vote it up unless they recognized the name, but it could be worth a shot. I don't even know what I'd ask or say if we did find him though. Probably thanks for the memories, and wanting to know what he's up to these days.
  - jamesfmilne 5y ago
    That LinkedIn profile is almost certainly not the same guy.
    - 0des 5y ago
      I don't have LinkedIn, so I just figured I'd throw it out there as it was the #1 search result. He'd be like what, 40 years old these days?
  - gregsadetsky 5y ago
    I doubt that LinkedIn profile is the right Adam Hinkley. Apart from living/working in Australia, none of the biographical details really match. And yeah, I think that it's worth doing another Ask, in case something comes up. Just posted it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29478266 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29478266
    - 0des 5y ago
      It didn't work :/ There's always next time. Until then, my friend!
      - gregsadetsky 5y ago
        Cheers! Maybe at a later date…
- spatulon 5y ago
  After Hotline there was Haxial KDX, which was similar and thought to be written by Hinkley.
- scroot 5y ago
  Hotline was awesome. In the mid to late 90s, it might have been my primary online activity besides AIM. I used to get all kinds of electronic music samples from various servers. It was a great way to discover random music as well.
sneak 5y ago
This makes me miss my earliest internet friends from the EFNet mac underground (#macfiles, #macwarez, #macdev, et c). The internet was a different place then. (If you were a regular in any of those places, write me - my email's in my profile.) There were also a number of really cool FirstClass BBSes around in that era, though cracking and configuring FirstClass was a bit of an involved process at the time. (IIRC the Hotline server was free?)
- gregsadetsky 5y ago
  Ah yes FirstClass!! Spent sooooooo much time using it as my local Macintosh User Group was mostly based around it. I even remember meeting with one of their reps (at a conference..? it's been too long ago) and bringing a list of grievances / bugs that we found, mostly on the server side. And yes, FirstClass had a convoluted-ish serial number / activation? process as far as I remember, while Hotline server was either free or could easily be found around.

vladstudio 5y ago

Unrelated, but it makes me will warm and fuzzy inside to see my very old picture used as this website' background [0]. 0: https://vlad.studio/wallpaper/tend_to_zero_hot https://vlad.studio/wallpaper/tend_to_zero_hot

verst 5y ago
That reminded me that I have a lifetime Premium Subscription to your wallpapers I bought in 2009 (which already is many many years after first discovering your wallpapers). I still love your artwork. Now to figure out which wallpaper to use... :)
- vladstudio 5y ago
  yeah i am that old :-)
  - verst 5y ago
    By the way, just installed your new tab page extension and love it. Seriously! Even left you a review on the Chrome Webstore :)
    - vladstudio 5y ago
      so that was you :-) thanks!
- filmgirlcw 5y ago
  Hah, and I checked and I did too, in 2008! Thank you Vlad! And hi Bernd!
  - verst 5y ago
    Hi Christina :)

datavirtue 5y ago

Love these. I need to write mine up.

kiawe_fire 5y ago
Please do! I love reading these, and the fewer stories lost to time, the better.
- codazoda 5y ago
  You might like my post, “How to Lose Money with 25 Years of Failed Businesses” where I talk about a couple of my old shareware programs and the things that lead to their demise. https://joeldare.com/how-to-lose-money-with-25-years-of-failed-businesses.html https://joeldare.com/how-to-lose-money-with-25-years-of-fail...

vkoskiv 5y ago

I have JPEGView installed on most of my vintage Mac collection (that can display colors, anyway) I'm pretty sure I wasn't even born when that software was the latest and greatest!

worker767424 5y ago
Probably should send the man a postcard.

andrelaszlo 5y ago

I wonder if his girlfriend ever came back from France.

na85 5y ago
I wondered, too, so I went digging and discovered [0] that he took an opportunity to work at CERN and thereafter refers to "we" and the page ends with the birth of their son. Happy ending :) [0] https://aarongiles.com/about/ https://aarongiles.com/about/
- andrelaszlo 5y ago
  Thank you! <3

rurban 5y ago

But this really is one of the least interesting war stories on his page. Be sure to read his Microsoft story.

mrpippy 5y ago

Aaron Giles' last day at Microsoft was last week; he had been there since the Connectix acquisition in 2003: https://twitter.com/aaronsgiles/status/1466905093819805696 https://twitter.com/aaronsgiles/status/1466905093819805696 Also, he's cataloging and scanning all 5000+ of the JPEGView postcards: https://twitter.com/aaronsgiles/status/1467061561395060738 https://twitter.com/aaronsgiles/status/1467061561395060738