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This is abusing semantics to the point you just make yourself look unknowledgeable. And honestly I feel like you know better... TCP/IP? Protocol. Email? You m

This is abusing semantics to the point you just make yourself look unknowledgeable. And honestly I feel like you know better... TCP/IP? Protocol. Email? You mean SMTP the protocol, or email platforms like GMail that people get locked out of all the time, or you mean a tiny platform with a fraction of the users? BitTorrent... the protocol. TLS... the protocol. Are you joking callling this a platform? RSS... same. Linux the OS? Because Linux sure doesn't have a centralized platform built into it last I checked. When you forget your Linux password where's the reset link? - Like to be clear, my statement is tautological. For any useful definition of "platform with large number of users" you need to have fraud protection. It's not really an ideological thing, anyone who's run any platform of a meaningful size knows you get attackers, and attackers scale. So you need to defend against attacks, and legitimate users can accidentally trigger any form of attack detection, human or otherwise.

AnthonyMouse 5y ago
> Email? You mean SMTP the protocol, or email platforms like GMail that people get locked out of all the time, or you mean a tiny platform with a fraction of the users? Email is a platform. Anyone on any provider can email anyone else on any provider. And then you can choose one you trust not to lock you out, or run your own. The others are the same. A platform is something you build other things on top of. HTTPS is built on top of TLS. Webmail services are built on top of HTTPS and SMTP. You want a more traditional platform? Java. > Linux the OS? Because Linux sure doesn't have a centralized platform built into it last I checked. Who said anything about centralization? The centralization is the source of the defect. > When you forget your Linux password where's the reset link? Boot from live installer and reset the password. But also, why is "password resets" necessary for something to be a platform?
- cmeacham98 5y ago
  I'm going to assume you're acting in good faith and just haven't seen this definition of platform. The one everyone else in this thread is using is "an application or website that serves as a base from which a service is provided" (that's straight from Merriam-Webster) Examples include (also from M-W): "music streaming platforms" "has built a cloud-computing platform for use by others" "billions of photos scraped from Facebook and other social media platforms" The only one that really could count in your examples is email, and if you think that doesn't have problems try setting up your own server and sending to gmail, hotmail, and other large providers without getting sent to spam or outright bounced.
  - AnthonyMouse 5y ago
    That's definition (b) from M-W. Definition (a) is "operating system." Though that's kind of a layman's oversimplification and it's more specifically the operating system's API implementation, which is why Java qualifies by providing the same thing. But also, how does email not fit under (b)? Or Signal etc.?
    - cmeacham98 5y ago
      Definition (a) goes on to include "also : the computer architecture and equipment using a particular operating system", which I think is largely accurate and I agree something like java would probably fit. Email and Signal are kinda on the fence for me, because they're split up in a way where it's not really one cohesive platform in the same sense as a social media platform. Regardless, even if you consider them platforms in this sense, both have the same issue with the detection of spam and other bad actors.
      - AnthonyMouse 5y ago
        As far as I know Signal doesn't do spam filtering at all and has no means to read your messages. They just separate things sent from people not in your contacts until you add them, which happens entirely at the discretion of the peer and not the service.
        cmeacham98 5y ago
        Does signal not attempt to ban users that engage in spamming, spreading malware/CP/other undesirable content, impersonation, etc?
        AnthonyMouse 5y ago
        How would they have any information about any of this? It's end to end encrypted. I don't think it even has accounts; the service is just a relay and the messages are authenticated on the basis of TOFU, i.e. this peer is the same as it was last time.

AnthonyMouse 5y ago

> Email? You mean SMTP the protocol, or email platforms like GMail that people get locked out of all the time, or you mean a tiny platform with a fraction of the users? Email is a platform. Anyone on any provider can email anyone else on any provider. And then you can choose one you trust not to lock you out, or run your own. The others are the same. A platform is something you build other things on top of. HTTPS is built on top of TLS. Webmail services are built on top of HTTPS and SMTP. You want a more traditional platform? Java. > Linux the OS? Because Linux sure doesn't have a centralized platform built into it last I checked. Who said anything about centralization? The centralization is the source of the defect. > When you forget your Linux password where's the reset link? Boot from live installer and reset the password. But also, why is "password resets" necessary for something to be a platform?

cmeacham98 5y ago
I'm going to assume you're acting in good faith and just haven't seen this definition of platform. The one everyone else in this thread is using is "an application or website that serves as a base from which a service is provided" (that's straight from Merriam-Webster) Examples include (also from M-W): "music streaming platforms" "has built a cloud-computing platform for use by others" "billions of photos scraped from Facebook and other social media platforms" The only one that really could count in your examples is email, and if you think that doesn't have problems try setting up your own server and sending to gmail, hotmail, and other large providers without getting sent to spam or outright bounced.
- AnthonyMouse 5y ago
  That's definition (b) from M-W. Definition (a) is "operating system." Though that's kind of a layman's oversimplification and it's more specifically the operating system's API implementation, which is why Java qualifies by providing the same thing. But also, how does email not fit under (b)? Or Signal etc.?
  - cmeacham98 5y ago
    Definition (a) goes on to include "also : the computer architecture and equipment using a particular operating system", which I think is largely accurate and I agree something like java would probably fit. Email and Signal are kinda on the fence for me, because they're split up in a way where it's not really one cohesive platform in the same sense as a social media platform. Regardless, even if you consider them platforms in this sense, both have the same issue with the detection of spam and other bad actors.
    - AnthonyMouse 5y ago
      As far as I know Signal doesn't do spam filtering at all and has no means to read your messages. They just separate things sent from people not in your contacts until you add them, which happens entirely at the discretion of the peer and not the service.
      - cmeacham98 5y ago
        Does signal not attempt to ban users that engage in spamming, spreading malware/CP/other undesirable content, impersonation, etc?
        AnthonyMouse 5y ago
        How would they have any information about any of this? It's end to end encrypted. I don't think it even has accounts; the service is just a relay and the messages are authenticated on the basis of TOFU, i.e. this peer is the same as it was last time.