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My experience is that they are semi-openly discussed. At places I have worked, generally you do get a sense of what most people are making. But at the same tim

My experience is that they are semi-openly discussed. At places I have worked, generally you do get a sense of what most people are making. But at the same time, it's a bit taboo because no good can come of it. Everyone is not the same, and individual circumstances dictate what somebody's salary is. If you think you make more than the norm, why would you share that around and risk pissing people off. And if you make less, what do you have to gain by advertising that widely? Imo, your salary is between you and your employer. You know, or can estimate and confirm how much you can get on the job market, and your employer knows the same about how much they have to pay to get someone they want. Between people, who literally are never completely the same, it just creates animosity and anger and has no upside. (I'm talking about professional jobs, for unskilled jobs where people are commodities, ie union jobs, you everyone probably does know each others pay, and nobody wins because people know they make the same no matter what they do)

wildrhythms 5y ago
>no good can come of it [sharing ones salary] >Everyone is not the same, and individual circumstances dictate what somebody's salary is. And yet, ones individual circumstance can lead them to doing the same job as a colleague, yet making significantly less money in silence. 'Individual circumstance' did not dictate a salary- the salary did not simply materialize from ones 'individual circumstance'; it came from a necessity to have a job, and eventually a number written on a contract by a person or committee just as susceptible to bias and prejudice, conscious or unconscious, as any single person. How many more jobs do you think we can outsource to people who do 100x more work for 100x less money before we feel comfortable sharing our salaries?
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- quinnjh 5y ago
  > How many more jobs do you think we can outsource to people who do 100x more work for 100x less money before we feel comfortable sharing our salaries? Good question. Maybe all of them? I feel it is directly interlinked with this- > the salary did not simply materialize from ones 'individual circumstance'; it came from a necessity to have a job So what if the answer to the first question is: all the jobs can be outsourced to people willing to work for less. Now there are no jobs. Now that no one has jobs no one has their job simply materialize. They now face necessity to find a job, and the jobs are filled by lower wage workers. This person now must either lower their valuation or acknowledge that they aren't facing the necessity to work that the people the jobs outsourced to face. Its literally a privilege to be outsourced from, or to not be desperate enough to work. The initial circumstances have so much to do with it all. I would feel like an undervalued failure if i worked at mcdonalds- meanwhile people are hopping trains through central america and risking arrest and death just for the oppotunity...

wildrhythms 5y ago

>no good can come of it [sharing ones salary] >Everyone is not the same, and individual circumstances dictate what somebody's salary is. And yet, ones individual circumstance can lead them to doing the same job as a colleague, yet making significantly less money in silence. 'Individual circumstance' did not dictate a salary- the salary did not simply materialize from ones 'individual circumstance'; it came from a necessity to have a job, and eventually a number written on a contract by a person or committee just as susceptible to bias and prejudice, conscious or unconscious, as any single person. How many more jobs do you think we can outsource to people who do 100x more work for 100x less money before we feel comfortable sharing our salaries?

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quinnjh 5y ago
> How many more jobs do you think we can outsource to people who do 100x more work for 100x less money before we feel comfortable sharing our salaries? Good question. Maybe all of them? I feel it is directly interlinked with this- > the salary did not simply materialize from ones 'individual circumstance'; it came from a necessity to have a job So what if the answer to the first question is: all the jobs can be outsourced to people willing to work for less. Now there are no jobs. Now that no one has jobs no one has their job simply materialize. They now face necessity to find a job, and the jobs are filled by lower wage workers. This person now must either lower their valuation or acknowledge that they aren't facing the necessity to work that the people the jobs outsourced to face. Its literally a privilege to be outsourced from, or to not be desperate enough to work. The initial circumstances have so much to do with it all. I would feel like an undervalued failure if i worked at mcdonalds- meanwhile people are hopping trains through central america and risking arrest and death just for the oppotunity...