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In a world of generosity people would anticipate what their fellows want and help where they can to let them find what they want.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
Are you generous enough to give me what I want right now? I don’t know if you anticipate mind readers, but communication skills are essential, most people don’t know what they themselves want and can’t communicate with themselves even.
- chromanoid 5y ago
  Well, we don't live in a world of generosity so it's not as simple as that. Anti-work people as well as punks at least to some extent usually strife for a world of generosity and what comes with it. And beyond that many religions do as well with various degrees of dedication. I think beside that it's a matter of human dignity to at least try to be generous to those who have it worse. Not because I might be in their shoes at some point in the future, but because I like the idea of a world full of generosity, even if I will not benefit from it directly. I currently live a happy stable privileged life and would still love to see my income to support a basic income for example. Even though it will probably never benefit me nor my family directly.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    Isn't it as simple as embedding yourself in a world that understands you? >Anti-work people as well as punks at least to some extent usually strife for a world of generosity and what comes with it. I see a lot of expectations for others to be generous to them not the other way around, its the have nots that are complaining, the haves are able to fund this dream of making this true through charities or social experiments like places here. https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/973653719/california-program-giving-500-no-strings-attached-stipends-pays-off-study-finds https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/973653719/california-program-... >I like the idea of a world full of generosity I do too, I like the idea of world peace, no crimes, and kindness everywhere. I've lived in places that had that kindness in poorer areas than where I live in "shitty countries". If you localize and select, its not impossible or even rare. >I currently live a happy stable privileged life and would still love to see my income to support a basic income for example. In Denmark, your dreams can come true, they tax at high rates (over 50% sometimes), have great social support, and then internet tells me it has some of the lowest corruption rates or is the lowest.
    - newaccount74 5y ago
      > I see a lot of expectations for others to be generous to them not the other way around I don't see that at all. If you follow the /r/antiwork subreddit, then it's really not about people expecting free stuff or generosity for nothing in return. People just don't want to be treated like shit by their managers. People expect not to be fired because they refused to come in on their day off for the 3rd time in a row. People expect to be able to attend family events that they told their boss weeks in advance. People just expect to be treated decent by their employer. Nobody seriously expects stuff for free. Anti-work is about people saying, if you keep walking all over me just to feel good about yourself, then go do the work yourself, I don't need the paycheck enough to deal with your abuse.
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        >People just don't want to be treated like shit by their managers. AKA expecting others to be generous. >People expect not to be fired because they refused to come in on their day off for the 3rd time in a row. They could take days off that aren't scheduled if they were skilled or non disposable workers or if they chose a job without a shitty boss. Whose fault is it to work with a shitty boss? If you stay in an abusive relationship, who chose to stay?
        multjoy 5y ago
        So your default is to treat others like shit? Not treating someone like shit isn't the result of generosity, it's the result of not being an arsehole.
        GhettoComputers 5y ago
        > So your default is to treat others like shit? That’s rude and presumptious, like the very behavior you dislike. My default is not to expect others to be nice and generous, like if you work for an asshole do you expect them not to be an asshole? Is that an intelligent assumption? I have realistic expectations.

GhettoComputers 5y ago

Are you generous enough to give me what I want right now? I don’t know if you anticipate mind readers, but communication skills are essential, most people don’t know what they themselves want and can’t communicate with themselves even.

chromanoid 5y ago
Well, we don't live in a world of generosity so it's not as simple as that. Anti-work people as well as punks at least to some extent usually strife for a world of generosity and what comes with it. And beyond that many religions do as well with various degrees of dedication. I think beside that it's a matter of human dignity to at least try to be generous to those who have it worse. Not because I might be in their shoes at some point in the future, but because I like the idea of a world full of generosity, even if I will not benefit from it directly. I currently live a happy stable privileged life and would still love to see my income to support a basic income for example. Even though it will probably never benefit me nor my family directly.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Isn't it as simple as embedding yourself in a world that understands you? >Anti-work people as well as punks at least to some extent usually strife for a world of generosity and what comes with it. I see a lot of expectations for others to be generous to them not the other way around, its the have nots that are complaining, the haves are able to fund this dream of making this true through charities or social experiments like places here. https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/973653719/california-program-giving-500-no-strings-attached-stipends-pays-off-study-finds https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/973653719/california-program-... >I like the idea of a world full of generosity I do too, I like the idea of world peace, no crimes, and kindness everywhere. I've lived in places that had that kindness in poorer areas than where I live in "shitty countries". If you localize and select, its not impossible or even rare. >I currently live a happy stable privileged life and would still love to see my income to support a basic income for example. In Denmark, your dreams can come true, they tax at high rates (over 50% sometimes), have great social support, and then internet tells me it has some of the lowest corruption rates or is the lowest.
  - newaccount74 5y ago
    > I see a lot of expectations for others to be generous to them not the other way around I don't see that at all. If you follow the /r/antiwork subreddit, then it's really not about people expecting free stuff or generosity for nothing in return. People just don't want to be treated like shit by their managers. People expect not to be fired because they refused to come in on their day off for the 3rd time in a row. People expect to be able to attend family events that they told their boss weeks in advance. People just expect to be treated decent by their employer. Nobody seriously expects stuff for free. Anti-work is about people saying, if you keep walking all over me just to feel good about yourself, then go do the work yourself, I don't need the paycheck enough to deal with your abuse.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      >People just don't want to be treated like shit by their managers. AKA expecting others to be generous. >People expect not to be fired because they refused to come in on their day off for the 3rd time in a row. They could take days off that aren't scheduled if they were skilled or non disposable workers or if they chose a job without a shitty boss. Whose fault is it to work with a shitty boss? If you stay in an abusive relationship, who chose to stay?
      - multjoy 5y ago
        So your default is to treat others like shit? Not treating someone like shit isn't the result of generosity, it's the result of not being an arsehole.
        GhettoComputers 5y ago
        > So your default is to treat others like shit? That’s rude and presumptious, like the very behavior you dislike. My default is not to expect others to be nice and generous, like if you work for an asshole do you expect them not to be an asshole? Is that an intelligent assumption? I have realistic expectations.