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More Data from Voyager 1

98 points by picture 5y ago

marcodiego 5y ago
Cool! It even show the bits! Now, what do they mean? What are the fields? What science/instrument data was gathered?
- nn3 5y ago
  "Other than finding a few binary counters and observing the general structure of the frames, I haven’t been able to figure out the meaning of any of this data." Feels a bit like failing to communicate with an alien race.
  - kingcharles 5y ago
    This made me sad after the obscene amount of work put into decoding the radio signal into a binary format. Is this because the specs for the data aren't published? But wait, NASA is a public body, so these specs should be out there. Or is it because the spec is lost to time?
    - petschge 5y ago
      We are still getting science data from both Voyagers. So somebody somewhere has code to decode the bits.
      - marcodiego 5y ago
        Is it hard to ask NASA people how to decode these bits?
        petschge 5y ago
        Asking shouldn't be hard. (And I would start at the DSN people at JPL). But the answer might be "well, we have that binary. I think it was written in $deadlanguage. But I have never seen the source, don't know who wrote it and I don't know how the decode works". Or they might have a binder full of documentation on paper. Who knows.
        piperswe 5y ago
        Given what I know about the JPL's engineering process, they probably have a binder full of a few hundred pages of documentation archived somewhere.
jandrese 5y ago
Certainly the format is documented at NASA. Could someone obtain a copy with a FOIA request?
- kingcharles 5y ago
  Exactly. But surely someone has done this already? What are we missing here? (I think the data format for one of the early landers, Viking perhaps, was lost, but didn't someone figure it out?)
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Which project was it that found the old tapes and reversed how to get that data? I seem to remember them being in an old fast food building or something. It is however entirely possible I'm confusing stories together.???
    - celias 5y ago
      You are probably thinking of the Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Project (LOIRP) that was housed in an old McDonalds https://moonviews.com https://moonviews.com I believe the same people were involved in the ISEE-3 Reboot Project https://sservi.nasa.gov/articles/isee-3-reboot-project/ https://sservi.nasa.gov/articles/isee-3-reboot-project/
      - dylan604 5y ago
        Yes, the McMoons location is what I was thinking. Thanks for helping ensure that I'm not crazy. at least in this particular instance! So this time, the voices were not leading me astray ;-)
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Maybe just send an email. If someone has the data and a moment, they might send it, and NASA seems to encourage an engaged public.
- sandermvanvliet 5y ago
londons_explore 5y ago
For the frames which can't be decoded with confidence due to the SNR being too low, I assume that if a couple of bits of the frame data were known, that would enable the rest of the frame to be decoded. Since the data appears very similar between frames, it seems easy to select some bits which are highly likely to be constant, enabling the whole of the rest of the frame to be decoded...
2Gkashmiri 5y ago
i remember an article, maybe on arstechnica maybe a decade ago about a group of enthusiasts who had found some old satellite computer at a home. they looked it up and found it belonged to some old satellite nasa had forgotten about so they asked for permission to try to contact it and eventually they did get it to run a booster after decades. Don't know what it was but this sounds like that somewhat
- EvanAnderson 5y ago
  You're thinking of the ISEE-3 reboot project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Cometary_Explorer#ISEE-3_Reboot_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Cometary_Explore...
  - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
    oh sweet. this is nice. yeah https://arstechnica.com/science/2014/05/nasa-hands-space-enthusiasts-the-keys-to-a-1970s-era-spacecraft/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2014/05/nasa-hands-space-ent... this is probably the exact one. well not quite a decade but it is close
  - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
    and what do you know... http://spacecollege.org/isee3/isee-3-is-in-safe-mode.html http://spacecollege.org/isee3/isee-3-is-in-safe-mode.html links to https://www.spacecraftforall.com/ https://www.spacecraftforall.com/ which is now a vpn site
phkahler 5y ago
>> At the beginning the output is around zero because the loops haven’t locked yet. They could run the PLL on the signal backwards. This would provide lock at the beginning. Combining that phase measurement with the forward one might also reduce phase error in general.

98 points by picture 5y ago

marcodiego 5y ago

Cool! It even show the bits! Now, what do they mean? What are the fields? What science/instrument data was gathered?

nn3 5y ago
"Other than finding a few binary counters and observing the general structure of the frames, I haven’t been able to figure out the meaning of any of this data." Feels a bit like failing to communicate with an alien race.
- kingcharles 5y ago
  This made me sad after the obscene amount of work put into decoding the radio signal into a binary format. Is this because the specs for the data aren't published? But wait, NASA is a public body, so these specs should be out there. Or is it because the spec is lost to time?
  - petschge 5y ago
    We are still getting science data from both Voyagers. So somebody somewhere has code to decode the bits.
    - marcodiego 5y ago
      Is it hard to ask NASA people how to decode these bits?
      - petschge 5y ago
        Asking shouldn't be hard. (And I would start at the DSN people at JPL). But the answer might be "well, we have that binary. I think it was written in $deadlanguage. But I have never seen the source, don't know who wrote it and I don't know how the decode works". Or they might have a binder full of documentation on paper. Who knows.
        piperswe 5y ago
        Given what I know about the JPL's engineering process, they probably have a binder full of a few hundred pages of documentation archived somewhere.

jandrese 5y ago

Certainly the format is documented at NASA. Could someone obtain a copy with a FOIA request?

kingcharles 5y ago
Exactly. But surely someone has done this already? What are we missing here? (I think the data format for one of the early landers, Viking perhaps, was lost, but didn't someone figure it out?)
- dylan604 5y ago
  Which project was it that found the old tapes and reversed how to get that data? I seem to remember them being in an old fast food building or something. It is however entirely possible I'm confusing stories together.???
  - celias 5y ago
    You are probably thinking of the Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Project (LOIRP) that was housed in an old McDonalds https://moonviews.com https://moonviews.com I believe the same people were involved in the ISEE-3 Reboot Project https://sservi.nasa.gov/articles/isee-3-reboot-project/ https://sservi.nasa.gov/articles/isee-3-reboot-project/
    - dylan604 5y ago
      Yes, the McMoons location is what I was thinking. Thanks for helping ensure that I'm not crazy. at least in this particular instance! So this time, the voices were not leading me astray ;-)
wolverine876 5y ago
Maybe just send an email. If someone has the data and a moment, they might send it, and NASA seems to encourage an engaged public.
sandermvanvliet 5y ago

londons_explore 5y ago

For the frames which can't be decoded with confidence due to the SNR being too low, I assume that if a couple of bits of the frame data were known, that would enable the rest of the frame to be decoded. Since the data appears very similar between frames, it seems easy to select some bits which are highly likely to be constant, enabling the whole of the rest of the frame to be decoded...

2Gkashmiri 5y ago

i remember an article, maybe on arstechnica maybe a decade ago about a group of enthusiasts who had found some old satellite computer at a home. they looked it up and found it belonged to some old satellite nasa had forgotten about so they asked for permission to try to contact it and eventually they did get it to run a booster after decades. Don't know what it was but this sounds like that somewhat

EvanAnderson 5y ago
You're thinking of the ISEE-3 reboot project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Cometary_Explorer#ISEE-3_Reboot_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Cometary_Explore...
- 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
  oh sweet. this is nice. yeah https://arstechnica.com/science/2014/05/nasa-hands-space-enthusiasts-the-keys-to-a-1970s-era-spacecraft/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2014/05/nasa-hands-space-ent... this is probably the exact one. well not quite a decade but it is close
- 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
  and what do you know... http://spacecollege.org/isee3/isee-3-is-in-safe-mode.html http://spacecollege.org/isee3/isee-3-is-in-safe-mode.html links to https://www.spacecraftforall.com/ https://www.spacecraftforall.com/ which is now a vpn site

phkahler 5y ago

>> At the beginning the output is around zero because the loops haven’t locked yet. They could run the PLL on the signal backwards. This would provide lock at the beginning. Combining that phase measurement with the forward one might also reduce phase error in general.