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If you can present evidence that YouTube is deleting comments that criticize the removal of the dislike button then I'll retract my skepticism of your comment a

If you can present evidence that YouTube is deleting comments that criticize the removal of the dislike button then I'll retract my skepticism of your comment and endorse it myself. From my perspective, there is a least considerable evidence that what you're saying is not true, consider for just one example, the entire comment section on the very video this thread is about.

sieabah 5y ago
Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43wp_EUk2ho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43wp_EUk2ho
- root_axis 5y ago
  Check the comment section of that video.
  - ddingus 5y ago
    For what? Burden is on you here, due to your position in the conversation. What are we looking for? Why does it matter?
    - root_axis 5y ago
      The entire comment section is full of comments criticizing the removal of the dislike button.
      - ddingus 5y ago
        Yeah? I see 'em. Have seen them elsewhere too. I didn't see anyone saying ALL comments were being removed, did you? Now, before we go farther down this road, there is a lot going on. YT, and others, are doing many things to nudge, bias, favor, some speech over other speech. Not all of those make sense. Some are offensive. Others make sense. These actions in general, and the low transparency related to them, as well as some overt and excessive actions, bans, demonetization, etc... are very highly objectionable. That's where I am at on it. And I'm going to stay there, until such time as the burden I put up thread is met in a compelling way. Some are saying these things are just unfortunate artifacts from necessary actions, I do not agree. Cheers, I've got other things to do, but I did enjoy this conversation. You've the last word, and I'll read with interest.
        root_axis 5y ago
        > I didn't see anyone saying ALL comments were being removed, did you? It's very convenient for your argument that you can dismiss all the evidence that directly contradicts the claim as stated. Seems to me like this is made up outrage by somebody reading signs in tea leaves.
      - sieabah 5y ago
        The important distinction is the type of user making the complaint. A youtube partner gets their comments deleted whereas random people don't. It would then go without saying, the larger the voice the more scrutiny it may receive. All I'm seeing from your responses however is just intellectual laziness, borderline concern trolling and trying to mostly defend anti-American actions from a large American corporation. I'm not sure what your goal is, but I don't think you're having this discussion in good faith. You're also asking for proof of censorship, I'm not sure if you understand how what you ask literally would be nearly impossible to provide because it would be censored. It would have to have you go on and trust to some degree that something was said. If you want to go about arguing with your "strongly intellectual" mindset you're going to have a rough time being able to comprehend counter intuitive discussions involving the destruction of the very evidence you're trying to discuss.
        root_axis 5y ago
        A bunch of bloviating nothing-speak sprinkled with accusations, name-calling, and speculation about what's in my head. Spare me.
ddingus 5y ago
Well, there we go! Seriously, and with due respect, I do not need your endorsement. In the court of public opinion, it's all about the passers by and how this conversation plays out over an extended amount of time. You have put your thoughts here, as have I and we both get to do that! Bonus: Seems a reasonable conversation. I like those. My perspective is that of a student of corruption, these general dynamics over a broad range of contexts. There are some basic truisms in play here that speak very strongly to the opinion I expressed. That's why I lead with, "of course they are", because "that is how these things go." Time tested, production proven basic wisdom right there. Our history is littered with this crap, and the tech, context, etc... will change, but the humans really don't. This is a human issue, not a technical one.
- root_axis 5y ago
  You've written a lot of vague platitudes about corruption, but have offered no evidence to support your speculation.
  - ddingus 5y ago
    I don't need to. The technical arguments are not sufficiently compelling to undermine the entirely obvious transition to a more big media friendly model in progress. Further, I'm on the solid majority opinion on all this. To get past that requires proponents show people need this to be done, they are better off, and that somehow they will be better informed, see more value. Not gonna happen.
    - root_axis 5y ago
      > I don't need to Ok. Obviously you don't need to do anything, but presenting evidence for a claim when asked is a pretty basic standard for discussion around here. Peace out.
      - ddingus 5y ago
        We do not have an absolute here. Time will tell. You want hard facts on political and power motivated behaviors. Over time, as I said, we will learn more. And hey, I could be wrong. That will come out too.

sieabah 5y ago

Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43wp_EUk2ho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43wp_EUk2ho

root_axis 5y ago
Check the comment section of that video.
- ddingus 5y ago
  For what? Burden is on you here, due to your position in the conversation. What are we looking for? Why does it matter?
  - root_axis 5y ago
    The entire comment section is full of comments criticizing the removal of the dislike button.
    - ddingus 5y ago
      Yeah? I see 'em. Have seen them elsewhere too. I didn't see anyone saying ALL comments were being removed, did you? Now, before we go farther down this road, there is a lot going on. YT, and others, are doing many things to nudge, bias, favor, some speech over other speech. Not all of those make sense. Some are offensive. Others make sense. These actions in general, and the low transparency related to them, as well as some overt and excessive actions, bans, demonetization, etc... are very highly objectionable. That's where I am at on it. And I'm going to stay there, until such time as the burden I put up thread is met in a compelling way. Some are saying these things are just unfortunate artifacts from necessary actions, I do not agree. Cheers, I've got other things to do, but I did enjoy this conversation. You've the last word, and I'll read with interest.
      - root_axis 5y ago
        > I didn't see anyone saying ALL comments were being removed, did you? It's very convenient for your argument that you can dismiss all the evidence that directly contradicts the claim as stated. Seems to me like this is made up outrage by somebody reading signs in tea leaves.
    - sieabah 5y ago
      The important distinction is the type of user making the complaint. A youtube partner gets their comments deleted whereas random people don't. It would then go without saying, the larger the voice the more scrutiny it may receive. All I'm seeing from your responses however is just intellectual laziness, borderline concern trolling and trying to mostly defend anti-American actions from a large American corporation. I'm not sure what your goal is, but I don't think you're having this discussion in good faith. You're also asking for proof of censorship, I'm not sure if you understand how what you ask literally would be nearly impossible to provide because it would be censored. It would have to have you go on and trust to some degree that something was said. If you want to go about arguing with your "strongly intellectual" mindset you're going to have a rough time being able to comprehend counter intuitive discussions involving the destruction of the very evidence you're trying to discuss.
      - root_axis 5y ago
        A bunch of bloviating nothing-speak sprinkled with accusations, name-calling, and speculation about what's in my head. Spare me.

ddingus 5y ago

Well, there we go! Seriously, and with due respect, I do not need your endorsement. In the court of public opinion, it's all about the passers by and how this conversation plays out over an extended amount of time. You have put your thoughts here, as have I and we both get to do that! Bonus: Seems a reasonable conversation. I like those. My perspective is that of a student of corruption, these general dynamics over a broad range of contexts. There are some basic truisms in play here that speak very strongly to the opinion I expressed. That's why I lead with, "of course they are", because "that is how these things go." Time tested, production proven basic wisdom right there. Our history is littered with this crap, and the tech, context, etc... will change, but the humans really don't. This is a human issue, not a technical one.

root_axis 5y ago
You've written a lot of vague platitudes about corruption, but have offered no evidence to support your speculation.
- ddingus 5y ago
  I don't need to. The technical arguments are not sufficiently compelling to undermine the entirely obvious transition to a more big media friendly model in progress. Further, I'm on the solid majority opinion on all this. To get past that requires proponents show people need this to be done, they are better off, and that somehow they will be better informed, see more value. Not gonna happen.
  - root_axis 5y ago
    > I don't need to Ok. Obviously you don't need to do anything, but presenting evidence for a claim when asked is a pretty basic standard for discussion around here. Peace out.
    - ddingus 5y ago
      We do not have an absolute here. Time will tell. You want hard facts on political and power motivated behaviors. Over time, as I said, we will learn more. And hey, I could be wrong. That will come out too.