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We're not blind to the tradeoffs. It's a long process to both change culture and nurture the necessary skills in your staff, AND take care of having human redun

We're not blind to the tradeoffs. It's a long process to both change culture and nurture the necessary skills in your staff, AND take care of having human redundancy. My point never was to idolize on-prem; I have agreed in other comments that from one point and on the cloud absolutely wins. I'm mostly pointing out that there is a lot you can do before bowing your head to Amazon and accept $30_000+ monthly bill for infrastructure that I can fit in my 1 square meter food closet and which would likely cost me (or a few other experienced backenders) 2-3 weekends to setup.

ghaff 5y ago
Absolutely. I'm definitely not in the "You're crazy if you don't just use AWS/GCP/Azure" camp. I'm just also not in the "See how cheap it is to just stick a system under my desk" camp. Totally dependent on use case and circumstances.
- pdimitar 5y ago
  True. It's not a religion or a credo. We're simply evaluating our options because our cloud bill is way too high for what we do. Time will tell but IMO it's super important to reserve the right to take a deeper look if you don't like your costs. We're not as helpless as big tech wants us to believe.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    And figuring out those costs can be really hard. People like Corey Quinn have built a whole business out of helping people make sense of their AWS bills.
    - pdimitar 5y ago
      Yep, but it's all self-interest. At one point you ask yourself: must I really go down this rabbit hole?
sobkas 5y ago
>I can fit in my 1 square meter food closet and which would likely cost me (or a few other experienced backenders) 2-3 weekends to setup. I don't think that setting it up is main problem here. Keeping it up to date and secure is the hard part.