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I read the jungle and I know about it. I initially agreed, the conditions were terrible. But even without regulations people make rational decisions like not ea

I read the jungle and I know about it. I initially agreed, the conditions were terrible. But even without regulations people make rational decisions like not eat at restaurants that make them sick and not buying Chinese baby milk products even before regulation, post regulation hasn’t stopped them from buying America baby formula either. If you think we need the government to stop people eating at cockroach infested buildings, you’re ignoring common sense. Do we need the FDA to decide marijuana has no medical value, or that people were too stupid and only ate rank food that caused them illness with no ability to eat food that wasn’t sickening before the FDA saved everyone?

sosborn 5y ago
> not eat at restaurants that make them sick Or, you know, not have restaurants that make people sick. > not buying Chinese baby milk products even before regulation What makes you think baby milk in whatever country you live in would be better without regulation? Do you think that maybe lack of regulation/enforcement is why Chinese baby milk contributed to that particular scandal?
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  > Do you think that maybe lack of regulation/enforcement is why Chinese baby milk contributed to that particular scandal? No, because they still don’t trust it today, with Chinese oversight. Regulations don’t stop restaurants from making people sick, accidents like e Coli poisonings occur with or without regulation, the FDA doesn’t need to step in, the company will have no business if they serve poor quality products. Did Chinese regulations make a difference? > It had been estimated in 2018 that up to 80% to 90% of infant formula purchased in Australia was destined for China. Bayer has poisoned aspirin, their reaction to it without regulation made them trustworthy.
malermeister 5y ago
I don't know what goes on in every restaurant kitchen in my city and I don't want to have to deal with the cognitive overhead of finding out, so I delegate that responsibility. Instead of me having to deal with all that shit, we can have professional food inspectors deal with it. This has the added advantage of them having powers to gain access to kitchen and shut down unsanitary ones that I wouldn't have. Why would I possibly not want this? What's the advantage of your approach, other than satisfying some irrational anti-government ideology?
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  > I don't know what goes on in every restaurant kitchen in my city and I don't want to have to deal with the cognitive overhead of finding out, so I delegate that responsibility. Some people don’t put effort into what food they eat and don’t look up reviews and enter any restaurant, you do look up reviews don’t you? I buy elote from unlicensed sellers sometimes, what’s the harm? > What's the advantage of your approach, other than satisfying some irrational anti-government ideology? That’s rude. I don’t like excessive barriers of entry for entrepreneurs especially immigrants, food trucks are not common where I am, California has tons of $1 tacos of excellent quality for instance, the quality of food overseas shows me you don’t need regulations. Regulation can be done well, it often isn’t. Excessive regulations like legalese, and complex English contracts is a huge barrier to immigrants with poor English who could otherwise participate and sell some fucking good food for cheap without it being “illegal”. I don’t care if the FDA doesn’t approve weed. Does I being a schedule 1 drug with no benefits stop you from ever partaking in marijuana usage? Did the war on drugs by the government help you or the world? Regulations sound great, but they’re often used nefariously, taking away freedom from common people and placing it in the hands of the wealthy, the effects have been disastrous. China's meteoric rise with low regulations is another example, gutter oil for instance was said to be a huge problem online but I never ate anything with gutter oil it was isolated, and it was mostly propaganda when the truth was that oil recovery was used for biofuel, not unlike the same spent oil being used in the US in the same way.
  - malermeister 5y ago
    Okay so street food is common where I'm from, too, with lots of immigrants (mostly Turkish in my neck of the woods) selling it - but i don't see how that's related. Food safety regulations shouldn't be a problem for anyone selling sanitary, safe food. If they don't, then I don't think it's fair to call that a "barrier to entry", I think calling it a "barrier to poisoning" is more accurate and I'm glad that exists. I'm also not sure where immigrants come in, I don't care who makes the food as long as it's sanitary. Are you implying immigrants are unsanitary? If so, I strongly disagree with that notion. So the way I see it the only person who doesn't want food safety regulation is somebody knowingly trying to sell unsafe food. In that case, I'm glad they're being stopped. So I'm not entirely sure where your problem lies. Are you disagreeing with the base concept of food safety? Or just with the specific regulations in place? Cause I'm happy to have an evidence-based debate of the latter, but the former is not really negotiable imo.

sosborn 5y ago

> not eat at restaurants that make them sick Or, you know, not have restaurants that make people sick. > not buying Chinese baby milk products even before regulation What makes you think baby milk in whatever country you live in would be better without regulation? Do you think that maybe lack of regulation/enforcement is why Chinese baby milk contributed to that particular scandal?

GhettoComputers 5y ago
> Do you think that maybe lack of regulation/enforcement is why Chinese baby milk contributed to that particular scandal? No, because they still don’t trust it today, with Chinese oversight. Regulations don’t stop restaurants from making people sick, accidents like e Coli poisonings occur with or without regulation, the FDA doesn’t need to step in, the company will have no business if they serve poor quality products. Did Chinese regulations make a difference? > It had been estimated in 2018 that up to 80% to 90% of infant formula purchased in Australia was destined for China. Bayer has poisoned aspirin, their reaction to it without regulation made them trustworthy.

malermeister 5y ago

I don't know what goes on in every restaurant kitchen in my city and I don't want to have to deal with the cognitive overhead of finding out, so I delegate that responsibility. Instead of me having to deal with all that shit, we can have professional food inspectors deal with it. This has the added advantage of them having powers to gain access to kitchen and shut down unsanitary ones that I wouldn't have. Why would I possibly not want this? What's the advantage of your approach, other than satisfying some irrational anti-government ideology?

GhettoComputers 5y ago
> I don't know what goes on in every restaurant kitchen in my city and I don't want to have to deal with the cognitive overhead of finding out, so I delegate that responsibility. Some people don’t put effort into what food they eat and don’t look up reviews and enter any restaurant, you do look up reviews don’t you? I buy elote from unlicensed sellers sometimes, what’s the harm? > What's the advantage of your approach, other than satisfying some irrational anti-government ideology? That’s rude. I don’t like excessive barriers of entry for entrepreneurs especially immigrants, food trucks are not common where I am, California has tons of $1 tacos of excellent quality for instance, the quality of food overseas shows me you don’t need regulations. Regulation can be done well, it often isn’t. Excessive regulations like legalese, and complex English contracts is a huge barrier to immigrants with poor English who could otherwise participate and sell some fucking good food for cheap without it being “illegal”. I don’t care if the FDA doesn’t approve weed. Does I being a schedule 1 drug with no benefits stop you from ever partaking in marijuana usage? Did the war on drugs by the government help you or the world? Regulations sound great, but they’re often used nefariously, taking away freedom from common people and placing it in the hands of the wealthy, the effects have been disastrous. China's meteoric rise with low regulations is another example, gutter oil for instance was said to be a huge problem online but I never ate anything with gutter oil it was isolated, and it was mostly propaganda when the truth was that oil recovery was used for biofuel, not unlike the same spent oil being used in the US in the same way.
- malermeister 5y ago
  Okay so street food is common where I'm from, too, with lots of immigrants (mostly Turkish in my neck of the woods) selling it - but i don't see how that's related. Food safety regulations shouldn't be a problem for anyone selling sanitary, safe food. If they don't, then I don't think it's fair to call that a "barrier to entry", I think calling it a "barrier to poisoning" is more accurate and I'm glad that exists. I'm also not sure where immigrants come in, I don't care who makes the food as long as it's sanitary. Are you implying immigrants are unsanitary? If so, I strongly disagree with that notion. So the way I see it the only person who doesn't want food safety regulation is somebody knowingly trying to sell unsafe food. In that case, I'm glad they're being stopped. So I'm not entirely sure where your problem lies. Are you disagreeing with the base concept of food safety? Or just with the specific regulations in place? Cause I'm happy to have an evidence-based debate of the latter, but the former is not really negotiable imo.