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Globalizing democracy means that increasingly , half of the population of the earth will be oppressed by the other half. At least the division of nations leaves

Globalizing democracy means that increasingly , half of the population of the earth will be oppressed by the other half. At least the division of nations leaves people with the option to leave one democracy and go live in another that fits them better. We can't leave earth for something else yet. Global democracy controlled by global media is a bad outcome.

lifeisstillgood 5y ago
If I understand you, you are saying that in a democracy the majority "oppress" the minority(ies). It maybe a "no true scotsman" argument but a society that legally oppresses a minority is hard to call a democracy- it is quite possible to argue that America was not a democracy until 1965. And it is highly unlikely we will all become some homogeneous voting lump - there are enough modern democracies that are so distinct in just their voting processes, let alone choices in fiscal policy, culture and so on to keep diversity alive.
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  IIRC during the trump era people said the same thing. And intuitively, it is a sort of oppression , but it lasts only 4 years. I 'm not saying we should abandon democracy, but we should be looking into ways to expand people's freedom of action, and uniting everyone under one government is not the way.
- dandellion 5y ago
  There's that quote, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others." I see democracy as a system that makes it harder for a minority to oppress a majority, which is what pretty much "all the others" forms of government involve. On the other hand, rather than say that a society that legally oppresses a minority is not a democracy, I'd rather call it a flawed democracy or a bad democracy. Be aware that democracy by itself doesn't provide protections to prevent a majority from oppressing a minority, instead of refusing to calling it a democracy. That way we don't end like the true communists. Whenever someone discusses any of the problems with communism a true communist always says: "no you see, that happened because it wasn't real communism", and they kind of miss the point of whatever constructive discussion you were trying to have with them.
  - oxfeed65261 5y ago
    ‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’ Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
- lambertsimnel 5y ago
  Indeed. Democracy, or at least full democracy, implies substantial protection of minority rights. As Ernest Naville said "in a democratic government, the right of decision belongs to the majority, but the right of representation belongs to all". I think all the other minority rights required to even find out where majority support lies are implied. He seems to be thinking of full democracy, but minimal democracy requires the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to the next. If a majority prevents the opposition required for a peaceful transfer of power, then it isn't democratic at all no matter how legitimate its original mandate.
goodpoint 5y ago
> Globalizing democracy means that increasingly , half of the population of the earth will be oppressed by the other half History shows the very opposite. Oppression goes hand in hand with empires, dictatorships and colonial powers. > At least the division of nations leaves people with the option to leave one democracy and go live in another that fits them better You are confusing nations borders, democracy and decentralization.

lifeisstillgood 5y ago

If I understand you, you are saying that in a democracy the majority "oppress" the minority(ies). It maybe a "no true scotsman" argument but a society that legally oppresses a minority is hard to call a democracy- it is quite possible to argue that America was not a democracy until 1965. And it is highly unlikely we will all become some homogeneous voting lump - there are enough modern democracies that are so distinct in just their voting processes, let alone choices in fiscal policy, culture and so on to keep diversity alive.

cblconfederate 5y ago
IIRC during the trump era people said the same thing. And intuitively, it is a sort of oppression , but it lasts only 4 years. I 'm not saying we should abandon democracy, but we should be looking into ways to expand people's freedom of action, and uniting everyone under one government is not the way.
dandellion 5y ago
There's that quote, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others." I see democracy as a system that makes it harder for a minority to oppress a majority, which is what pretty much "all the others" forms of government involve. On the other hand, rather than say that a society that legally oppresses a minority is not a democracy, I'd rather call it a flawed democracy or a bad democracy. Be aware that democracy by itself doesn't provide protections to prevent a majority from oppressing a minority, instead of refusing to calling it a democracy. That way we don't end like the true communists. Whenever someone discusses any of the problems with communism a true communist always says: "no you see, that happened because it wasn't real communism", and they kind of miss the point of whatever constructive discussion you were trying to have with them.
- oxfeed65261 5y ago
  ‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’ Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
lambertsimnel 5y ago
Indeed. Democracy, or at least full democracy, implies substantial protection of minority rights. As Ernest Naville said "in a democratic government, the right of decision belongs to the majority, but the right of representation belongs to all". I think all the other minority rights required to even find out where majority support lies are implied. He seems to be thinking of full democracy, but minimal democracy requires the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to the next. If a majority prevents the opposition required for a peaceful transfer of power, then it isn't democratic at all no matter how legitimate its original mandate.

goodpoint 5y ago

> Globalizing democracy means that increasingly , half of the population of the earth will be oppressed by the other half History shows the very opposite. Oppression goes hand in hand with empires, dictatorships and colonial powers. > At least the division of nations leaves people with the option to leave one democracy and go live in another that fits them better You are confusing nations borders, democracy and decentralization.