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It's included on the national id smartcard in several EU countries.

by kaetemi 5y ago

krisoft 5y ago
I’m a very technical person, and a citizen of an EU country. I have no idea if my national ID card can do that. Even if it can do that I don’t have a card reader to push it in, and I don’t know what software I would need to sign a document with it. I can figure out all of the above, after all I am paid to figure out things about computers. Can everyone do it? The older gentleman who drives a taxi? The nice lady who edits non-fictional books? The dancer, the barista, the construction worker, the pilot? I don’t have an opinion on what the value of DocuSign’s business should be. I think they have an easy to replicate service with a very shallow moat. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t provide a service to people.
- number6 5y ago
  In the EU there is this qualified electronical signature. It is legally binding like a handwritten signature and has to be accepted everywhere in the EU. Some EU country issue them via ID card. But you can get one for free by using https://www.zealid.com/en/ https://www.zealid.com/en/ They have a app where you can sign PDFs for free. Everywhere else a QES can cost up to 150€
  - candiodari 5y ago
    > has to be accepted everywhere in the EU So you mean it's got 10x less legal weight than the Schengen accords, that guarantee you won't have a passport check going on or coming off a intra-EU flight in France? Good luck with that. Both France and the Netherlands have both had their council of state decide, relatively recently, that violating EU agreements does not violate EU agreements. I mean it's commercial law, so there is no high burden of proof in the first place, so I'm not so sure what these signatures add in the first place, but the fact that the EU decided something doesn't seem to carry much weight anymore.

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It's included on the national id smartcard in several EU countries.

by kaetemi 5y ago

It's included on the national id smartcard in several EU countries.

krisoft 5y ago
I’m a very technical person, and a citizen of an EU country. I have no idea if my national ID card can do that. Even if it can do that I don’t have a card reader to push it in, and I don’t know what software I would need to sign a document with it. I can figure out all of the above, after all I am paid to figure out things about computers. Can everyone do it? The older gentleman who drives a taxi? The nice lady who edits non-fictional books? The dancer, the barista, the construction worker, the pilot? I don’t have an opinion on what the value of DocuSign’s business should be. I think they have an easy to replicate service with a very shallow moat. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t provide a service to people.
- number6 5y ago
  In the EU there is this qualified electronical signature. It is legally binding like a handwritten signature and has to be accepted everywhere in the EU. Some EU country issue them via ID card. But you can get one for free by using https://www.zealid.com/en/ https://www.zealid.com/en/ They have a app where you can sign PDFs for free. Everywhere else a QES can cost up to 150€
  - candiodari 5y ago
    > has to be accepted everywhere in the EU So you mean it's got 10x less legal weight than the Schengen accords, that guarantee you won't have a passport check going on or coming off a intra-EU flight in France? Good luck with that. Both France and the Netherlands have both had their council of state decide, relatively recently, that violating EU agreements does not violate EU agreements. I mean it's commercial law, so there is no high burden of proof in the first place, so I'm not so sure what these signatures add in the first place, but the fact that the EU decided something doesn't seem to carry much weight anymore.