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If nobody owes anybody else a job, why are they required to live then? > The proper reaction if somebody makes you a bad proposal is to reject it. Plain and si

If nobody owes anybody else a job, why are they required to live then? > The proper reaction if somebody makes you a bad proposal is to reject it. Plain and simple. What luxury you must have to be able to reject a job. Not everyone has that luxury.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
"If nobody owes anybody else a job, why are they required to live then?" Have you tried thinking about that question? Lots of interesting aspects would come to light. Maybe there was a time when food just grew into people's mouth. But eventually there were too many people, so they had to resort to actively hunting and gathering stuff to feed everybody (a ka work). So I guess you should blame people having babies for having to work.
- dorchadas 5y ago
  You're missing the entire point, which is that people don't have options because not everyone is privileged enough to be able to take time off to look for a job, or go any time without a paycheck. Also, a lot of the work with growing food could easily be scaled back and done by people with plenty of time to spare for their own lives, or even partially automated. We're already quite a lot more efficient than before. There's no reason we have to have people suffer shit jobs just to live.
  - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
    Some people don't have jobs to begin with. I really don't know what you are going on about. Who is supposed to create a job for you, just because you need one? As for the "Bullshit Jobs" theory, yes a couple of farmers can produce a lot of food. People don't only need food, though. What are you going on about, you seem to be implying there should be a basic income? Or what is the alternative to working you envision? That has not been proven to be workable yet. And somebody will still have to do the work.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      The government is expected to. The TSA isn't proven to prevent terrorist acts, most contraband gets through ( According to officials briefed on the results of a recent Homeland Security Inspector General's report, TSA agents failed 67 out of 70 tests, with Red Team members repeatedly able to get potential weapons through checkpoints.1 Jun 2015 ", and they are paid quite well, I already think we live in a world where people don't need to "work" the way "work" is seen as backbreaking menial jobs, this system has been working underneath our noses, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassignment_centers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassignment_centers or most department of educational funding going to administration rather than teachers and students. What I see is excessive bureaucracy generating pointless jobs that drain a lot of resources, and a lot of work being done with lower waged illegal laborers, or in non regulated sectors. I don't know how long it will continue.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago

"If nobody owes anybody else a job, why are they required to live then?" Have you tried thinking about that question? Lots of interesting aspects would come to light. Maybe there was a time when food just grew into people's mouth. But eventually there were too many people, so they had to resort to actively hunting and gathering stuff to feed everybody (a ka work). So I guess you should blame people having babies for having to work.

dorchadas 5y ago
You're missing the entire point, which is that people don't have options because not everyone is privileged enough to be able to take time off to look for a job, or go any time without a paycheck. Also, a lot of the work with growing food could easily be scaled back and done by people with plenty of time to spare for their own lives, or even partially automated. We're already quite a lot more efficient than before. There's no reason we have to have people suffer shit jobs just to live.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  Some people don't have jobs to begin with. I really don't know what you are going on about. Who is supposed to create a job for you, just because you need one? As for the "Bullshit Jobs" theory, yes a couple of farmers can produce a lot of food. People don't only need food, though. What are you going on about, you seem to be implying there should be a basic income? Or what is the alternative to working you envision? That has not been proven to be workable yet. And somebody will still have to do the work.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    The government is expected to. The TSA isn't proven to prevent terrorist acts, most contraband gets through ( According to officials briefed on the results of a recent Homeland Security Inspector General's report, TSA agents failed 67 out of 70 tests, with Red Team members repeatedly able to get potential weapons through checkpoints.1 Jun 2015 ", and they are paid quite well, I already think we live in a world where people don't need to "work" the way "work" is seen as backbreaking menial jobs, this system has been working underneath our noses, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassignment_centers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassignment_centers or most department of educational funding going to administration rather than teachers and students. What I see is excessive bureaucracy generating pointless jobs that drain a lot of resources, and a lot of work being done with lower waged illegal laborers, or in non regulated sectors. I don't know how long it will continue.