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from https://ec.europa.eu/cefdigital/wiki/display/CEFDIGITAL/eSignature+FAQ https://ec.europa.eu/cefdigital/wiki/display/CEFDIGITAL/eSig... > An electronic signature (either simple, advanced or qualified) shall not be denied legal effect and admissibility as evidence in legal proceedings solely on the grounds that it is in an electronic form or that it does not meet the requirements for qualified electronic signatures. more specifically: > Regarding qualified electronic signatures, they explicitly have the equivalent legal effect of handwritten signatures across all EU Member States. fire your lawyer i guess

jasomill 5y ago
To paraphrase my (non-lawyer) understanding of these two FAQ passages: 1. Evidence of an electronic signature is not a priori inadmissible in court. 2. A "qualified electronic signature", i.e., a cryptographic digital signature created by an approved hardware crypto device using keys from a certificate meeting certain requirements verified by an approved certification authority, is equivalent to a conventional paper signature. If anything, this suggests to me that, in many practical contexts, "'click here to sign'-style Web form signatures are not legally binding" may well be a reasonable plain-language summary of Dutch law, notwithstanding EU e-signature regulations.
dsomers 5y ago
Haha, okay random guy on the internet that’s probably has no legal qualifications. You know I was saying that in the context of gp asking if it’s legal to sign in Apple preview which is essentially appending a picture of your signature to a pdf with no guarantee from a third party if it’s you that signed it. Also note, laws are not always strictly literal and have to be interpreted by a court. But I’m sure you’re aware of that with your vast legal training.

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by ushakov 5y ago

jasomill 5y ago
To paraphrase my (non-lawyer) understanding of these two FAQ passages: 1. Evidence of an electronic signature is not a priori inadmissible in court. 2. A "qualified electronic signature", i.e., a cryptographic digital signature created by an approved hardware crypto device using keys from a certificate meeting certain requirements verified by an approved certification authority, is equivalent to a conventional paper signature. If anything, this suggests to me that, in many practical contexts, "'click here to sign'-style Web form signatures are not legally binding" may well be a reasonable plain-language summary of Dutch law, notwithstanding EU e-signature regulations.
dsomers 5y ago
Haha, okay random guy on the internet that’s probably has no legal qualifications. You know I was saying that in the context of gp asking if it’s legal to sign in Apple preview which is essentially appending a picture of your signature to a pdf with no guarantee from a third party if it’s you that signed it. Also note, laws are not always strictly literal and have to be interpreted by a court. But I’m sure you’re aware of that with your vast legal training.