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What are these really bad labor conditions? Are they all working at restaurants? Rather than going”anti work” they could find another job, it’s painfully obviou

What are these really bad labor conditions? Are they all working at restaurants? Rather than going”anti work” they could find another job, it’s painfully obvious.

Boltgolt 5y ago
"just find another job" like it's that easy for everyone
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Its much easier to stay at an unfulfilling job you hate, have it crush your soul, post memes on Reddit, and resent it, but is that really a good choice? They are on a path they don’t like, do you think it’s a good idea to change trajectory?
  - smus 5y ago
    Our service economy that we live in is structured around there being a poorly paid and poorly treated underclass. Sure some in that class could leave but there aren't enough good jobs for everyone. We're talking about a structural problem, which can't be solved by individual action. I understand that can be hard to conceptualize for some.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      It isn’t hard to conceptualize because it doesn’t exist as you imagine,there are great service jobs, and calling them all bad is prejudice and shows a lack of experience with any good ones. I know college graduates that work as servers and hosts/hostesses, they love the social life, the tips they make are more than their college required job, and they made a rational decision. The service industry isn’t a monolithic evil.
      - hkt 5y ago
        > The service industry isn’t a monolithic evil. It does somewhat seem that people don't like working in it. From reading the antiwork subreddit, the general feeling appears to be that they want to improve the conditions (by rejecting bad jobs, or unionising) which suggests there is something to be desired.
        GhettoComputers 5y ago
        Antiwork people don’t like their service job so it’s universally hated? Seems biased to me. Photography is a service job but I don’t see anything but negativity of that kind, it doesn’t mean that all photography jobs suck.
sosborn 5y ago
Why is the onus on employees to "find another job," instead on their managers to improve the labor conditions? Some of the stories on that sub are an incredible indictment on how wage workers are treated. I don't care what decisions that person made to end up in a minimum wage job, but I do care that they get treated with some respect and dignity.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  The same reason why people move. Relying on others to do everything to benefit you is wishful but deluded. If you care, what are you doing to improve their conditions? Would you like to be that manager or are you currently doing that? It isn’t bad to be that way, but who is willing to put in that work?
  - sosborn 5y ago
    > Relying on others to do everything to benefit you is wishful but deluded. Isn't that exactly what these companies and managers are doing when they exploit workers?
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      Is it working?
      - sosborn 5y ago
        For whom?
  - bpfrh 5y ago
    We rely on the restaurant not serving bad food because of regulation. We rely on good safety standards in a workplace, so that people working in chemical factories do not die from breathing in toxic fumes. So to be clear, we rely on other people and other people doing things for us all the time, so the discussion is not about relying on other people, but in this case what are work conditions which are acceptable. I think that fire at will for example is a bad idea, but I don't live in the USA, so my view comes from a different perspective.
rahidz 5y ago
To me the advice of "If your current job has bad labor conditions, find a better one" has an implicit meaning of "Certain jobs have bad labor conditions, and this is fine". People are realizing this shouldn't be, and between protesting and quitting, are making themselves heard.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  You might not have a better choice, and choose it. You might not appreciate the flexible hours of McDonald’s, but that is no reason to force your choice upon the world as your experiences are the correct one. If I don’t like programming should all programming jobs be banned? I don’t like cooking, is that reason no cooking jobs should exist?
  - malermeister 5y ago
    "If I don't like to be exploited, shouldn't others still be able to?" No. No, they shouldn't. Some working conditions are straight up bad and exploitative and nobody should be forced to put up with them.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      Who is forced? Those jobs interviews weren’t held at gunpoint. If (You personally don’t like a job) { Ban anyone from doing it even if they like it. }
      - malermeister 5y ago
        People that have no other means of supporting their family are forced though economic means. Do you really think anybody works the night shift at a fast food joint because they enjoy spending their time that way? No, but they do it because otherwise their kid starves. Exploitative capitalism doesn't often need to resort to guns. Usually the threat of starvation or dying from preventable disease is coercive enough.

What are these really bad labor conditions? Are they all working at restaurants? Rather than going”anti work” they could find another job, it’s painfully obvious.

Boltgolt 5y ago

"just find another job" like it's that easy for everyone

GhettoComputers 5y ago
Its much easier to stay at an unfulfilling job you hate, have it crush your soul, post memes on Reddit, and resent it, but is that really a good choice? They are on a path they don’t like, do you think it’s a good idea to change trajectory?
- smus 5y ago
  Our service economy that we live in is structured around there being a poorly paid and poorly treated underclass. Sure some in that class could leave but there aren't enough good jobs for everyone. We're talking about a structural problem, which can't be solved by individual action. I understand that can be hard to conceptualize for some.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    It isn’t hard to conceptualize because it doesn’t exist as you imagine,there are great service jobs, and calling them all bad is prejudice and shows a lack of experience with any good ones. I know college graduates that work as servers and hosts/hostesses, they love the social life, the tips they make are more than their college required job, and they made a rational decision. The service industry isn’t a monolithic evil.
    - hkt 5y ago
      > The service industry isn’t a monolithic evil. It does somewhat seem that people don't like working in it. From reading the antiwork subreddit, the general feeling appears to be that they want to improve the conditions (by rejecting bad jobs, or unionising) which suggests there is something to be desired.
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        Antiwork people don’t like their service job so it’s universally hated? Seems biased to me. Photography is a service job but I don’t see anything but negativity of that kind, it doesn’t mean that all photography jobs suck.

sosborn 5y ago

Why is the onus on employees to "find another job," instead on their managers to improve the labor conditions? Some of the stories on that sub are an incredible indictment on how wage workers are treated. I don't care what decisions that person made to end up in a minimum wage job, but I do care that they get treated with some respect and dignity.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
The same reason why people move. Relying on others to do everything to benefit you is wishful but deluded. If you care, what are you doing to improve their conditions? Would you like to be that manager or are you currently doing that? It isn’t bad to be that way, but who is willing to put in that work?
- sosborn 5y ago
  > Relying on others to do everything to benefit you is wishful but deluded. Isn't that exactly what these companies and managers are doing when they exploit workers?
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    Is it working?
    - sosborn 5y ago
      For whom?
- bpfrh 5y ago
  We rely on the restaurant not serving bad food because of regulation. We rely on good safety standards in a workplace, so that people working in chemical factories do not die from breathing in toxic fumes. So to be clear, we rely on other people and other people doing things for us all the time, so the discussion is not about relying on other people, but in this case what are work conditions which are acceptable. I think that fire at will for example is a bad idea, but I don't live in the USA, so my view comes from a different perspective.

rahidz 5y ago

To me the advice of "If your current job has bad labor conditions, find a better one" has an implicit meaning of "Certain jobs have bad labor conditions, and this is fine". People are realizing this shouldn't be, and between protesting and quitting, are making themselves heard.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
You might not have a better choice, and choose it. You might not appreciate the flexible hours of McDonald’s, but that is no reason to force your choice upon the world as your experiences are the correct one. If I don’t like programming should all programming jobs be banned? I don’t like cooking, is that reason no cooking jobs should exist?
- malermeister 5y ago
  "If I don't like to be exploited, shouldn't others still be able to?" No. No, they shouldn't. Some working conditions are straight up bad and exploitative and nobody should be forced to put up with them.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    Who is forced? Those jobs interviews weren’t held at gunpoint. If (You personally don’t like a job) { Ban anyone from doing it even if they like it. }
    - malermeister 5y ago
      People that have no other means of supporting their family are forced though economic means. Do you really think anybody works the night shift at a fast food joint because they enjoy spending their time that way? No, but they do it because otherwise their kid starves. Exploitative capitalism doesn't often need to resort to guns. Usually the threat of starvation or dying from preventable disease is coercive enough.