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This is just wrong (and forgive my language, but stupid). The federal minimum wage has increased by $7 since 1938. A $7 increase in 84 years. No one is saying w

This is just wrong (and forgive my language, but stupid). The federal minimum wage has increased by $7 since 1938. A $7 increase in 84 years. No one is saying work should be banned. People just want jobs that allow them to afford housing, health insurance, retirement, and to sustain a family, and today the US has failed to provide that except for a minority of industries.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
> People just want jobs that allow them to afford housing, health insurance, retirement, and to sustain a family, and today the US has failed to provide that except for a minority of industries. https://reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r8rzk2/the_big_lie/ https://reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r8rzk2/the_big_lie/ Definitely people that don’t want to work at all. People might want California coastline affordable housing and Ferraris by working at McDonald’s but the US failing to provide that isn’t a failure of the US
- deleted 5y ago
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- stainforth 5y ago
  Again you have completely exaggerated, and your citation reflects nothing of your exaggeration.
- somehnguy 5y ago
  A small number of extremists exist in any cause. I don't think cherry picking them out and redefining the whole thing with their extremist view is productive. By doing that you can just wholesale write off any idea or movement you want, it's intellectually dishonest in my opinion.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    This is currently the top thread. https://reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r8udf5/keep_spreading_this_around_americans_need_free/ https://reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r8udf5/keep_spreading... They want “free healthcare” by taxing 4%, I am not cherry picking anything, despite Obamacare existing for the poorest people. That post was at the top when I looked.
    - somehnguy 5y ago
      I'm failing to understand how that has anything at all to do with 'people not wanting to work at all'. And besides the point - I completely agree with it. Healthcare costs are absurd. Who decided that my eyes & teeth aren't part of my health, why do I pay separately for those? And what is the point of insurance if they can just deny anything they want or require me to pay thousands out of pocket before they get involved at all? And this is after I pay hundreds a month to the insurance companies depending on plan. Speaking of plans - why is it the norm that I must try my best to predict the future 1 year in advance about whether I'll get sick or hurt this year? Guess wrong? - well good luck with that! The whole thing is ridiculous and unexpectedly throws people into impossible financial positions through no fault of their own regularly.
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        You said I’m cherry picking extremists, Im just looking at the top posts.
        somehnguy 5y ago
        Again - where is the extremism there that relates at all to your original statement of 'Definitely people that don’t want to work at all.'..? I think you're being intellectually dishonest and am choosing to exit this conversation now as I don't see you responding to the above query in good faith after giving you another chance already. Have a good weekend.
        GhettoComputers 5y ago
        It’s linked to late stage capitalism, do they want to work? I sort all of Reddit by rising posts, which is why I think my feed is different.
      - hkt 5y ago
        Being from a country with a national health service, I can appreciate why they'd want one. It is a reasonable thing to ask.
Guid_NewGuid 5y ago
I think the other thread here is even outside your average minimum wage job the link between work and reward is broken. Holders of capital can speculate on property/real estate and make more (illiquid) money than a worker in a full year. Then to add insult to injury the worker hands over some large sum of their wage to said speculator. And is generally treated like crap into the bargain. When idle parasitism makes more money than working and indeed forces people to work harder for longer, discontent from the generally capital poor workers is unsurprising.
kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
Minimum wage does not mean you have to work for minimum wage. Try hiring a software developer for minimum wage. What people want is also not really other people's problem? Or who should be responsible? Say you know 100 people who want housing, health care and secured retirement. If you don't know them, go to r/antiwork and pick out a few candidates. Now go provide them with money and jobs. It is your responsibility now!

GhettoComputers 5y ago

> People just want jobs that allow them to afford housing, health insurance, retirement, and to sustain a family, and today the US has failed to provide that except for a minority of industries. https://reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r8rzk2/the_big_lie/ https://reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r8rzk2/the_big_lie/ Definitely people that don’t want to work at all. People might want California coastline affordable housing and Ferraris by working at McDonald’s but the US failing to provide that isn’t a failure of the US

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stainforth 5y ago
Again you have completely exaggerated, and your citation reflects nothing of your exaggeration.
somehnguy 5y ago
A small number of extremists exist in any cause. I don't think cherry picking them out and redefining the whole thing with their extremist view is productive. By doing that you can just wholesale write off any idea or movement you want, it's intellectually dishonest in my opinion.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  This is currently the top thread. https://reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r8udf5/keep_spreading_this_around_americans_need_free/ https://reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r8udf5/keep_spreading... They want “free healthcare” by taxing 4%, I am not cherry picking anything, despite Obamacare existing for the poorest people. That post was at the top when I looked.
  - somehnguy 5y ago
    I'm failing to understand how that has anything at all to do with 'people not wanting to work at all'. And besides the point - I completely agree with it. Healthcare costs are absurd. Who decided that my eyes & teeth aren't part of my health, why do I pay separately for those? And what is the point of insurance if they can just deny anything they want or require me to pay thousands out of pocket before they get involved at all? And this is after I pay hundreds a month to the insurance companies depending on plan. Speaking of plans - why is it the norm that I must try my best to predict the future 1 year in advance about whether I'll get sick or hurt this year? Guess wrong? - well good luck with that! The whole thing is ridiculous and unexpectedly throws people into impossible financial positions through no fault of their own regularly.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      You said I’m cherry picking extremists, Im just looking at the top posts.
      - somehnguy 5y ago
        Again - where is the extremism there that relates at all to your original statement of 'Definitely people that don’t want to work at all.'..? I think you're being intellectually dishonest and am choosing to exit this conversation now as I don't see you responding to the above query in good faith after giving you another chance already. Have a good weekend.
        GhettoComputers 5y ago
        It’s linked to late stage capitalism, do they want to work? I sort all of Reddit by rising posts, which is why I think my feed is different.
    - hkt 5y ago
      Being from a country with a national health service, I can appreciate why they'd want one. It is a reasonable thing to ask.

Guid_NewGuid 5y ago

I think the other thread here is even outside your average minimum wage job the link between work and reward is broken. Holders of capital can speculate on property/real estate and make more (illiquid) money than a worker in a full year. Then to add insult to injury the worker hands over some large sum of their wage to said speculator. And is generally treated like crap into the bargain. When idle parasitism makes more money than working and indeed forces people to work harder for longer, discontent from the generally capital poor workers is unsurprising.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago

Minimum wage does not mean you have to work for minimum wage. Try hiring a software developer for minimum wage. What people want is also not really other people's problem? Or who should be responsible? Say you know 100 people who want housing, health care and secured retirement. If you don't know them, go to r/antiwork and pick out a few candidates. Now go provide them with money and jobs. It is your responsibility now!