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I think you’re grossly underestimate the availability of chargers in Europe. They’re far more common than people expect, but you won’t see them unless you’re l

I think you’re grossly underestimate the availability of chargers in Europe. They’re far more common than people expect, but you won’t see them unless you’re looking for them. 90% of the chargers are just posts with a cable, or just little black box on a lamppost with a socket. (There’s about 5 within a 10min walk of flat in London, that are hardly used) Certainly it can be tricky in more rural areas, but if you’re spending most of your time around towns and cities you’ll be fine. If you live rural you’ll have the space to install your own private charger.

emptyfile 5y ago
Oh, wow, five chargers in 1000m of walking in London.
- avianlyric 5y ago
  You right, I should have said 5 chargers within a 3 min walk of my flat. I couldn't count all the chargers within 1km of my flat, there's too many.
dmitriid 5y ago
> but you won’t see them unless you’re looking for them. I was looking for them when I had an EV over an extended weekend. Availability of chargers, especially fast chargers is grossly overestimated. > (There’s about 5 within a 10min walk of flat in London, that are hardly used) So, I zoomed in on Trafalgar Square (using PlugShare). Within a 10 minute walk from there: - there are ~40 available plugs - of those 40, 9 are fast chargers - of those 40, 12 are non-Type-2/non-CCS compatible (1 is fast ChaDeMo, so if you're type 2, it's one connector less) So, yeah. Whichever "10 minute walk" you chose situation will be the same. > Certainly it can be tricky in more rural areas, Define "more rural areas". I live 20 minutes away from Stockholm. I'll let you guess how many chargers there are within a "10 minute walk" from a suburb which is mostly apartment buildings. Here's a representative suburb: https://www.google.com/maps/@59.2855172,17.9568074,3a,75y,214.87h,82.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6zl5b1JwGJIEyadoGi0VyQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@59.2855172,17.9568074,3a,75y,21... And it's the same everywhere. Here's Coulommiers, 1 hour outside Paris. Population, 14 thousand people: https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8206163,3.0939561,3a,75y,115.59h,94.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJsbwHeHsFb4iUjCqQzqnZA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DJsbwHeHsFb4iUjCqQzqnZA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D284.5939%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8206163,3.0939561,3a,75y,115... There's definitely plenty of space to "install own chargers", right? ;) Right now EVs are in the same place where cars ini general where over a 100 years ago: toys for sufficiently rich early adopters who can afford to deal with all the issues.

emptyfile 5y ago

Oh, wow, five chargers in 1000m of walking in London.

avianlyric 5y ago
You right, I should have said 5 chargers within a 3 min walk of my flat. I couldn't count all the chargers within 1km of my flat, there's too many.

dmitriid 5y ago

> but you won’t see them unless you’re looking for them. I was looking for them when I had an EV over an extended weekend. Availability of chargers, especially fast chargers is grossly overestimated. > (There’s about 5 within a 10min walk of flat in London, that are hardly used) So, I zoomed in on Trafalgar Square (using PlugShare). Within a 10 minute walk from there: - there are ~40 available plugs - of those 40, 9 are fast chargers - of those 40, 12 are non-Type-2/non-CCS compatible (1 is fast ChaDeMo, so if you're type 2, it's one connector less) So, yeah. Whichever "10 minute walk" you chose situation will be the same. > Certainly it can be tricky in more rural areas, Define "more rural areas". I live 20 minutes away from Stockholm. I'll let you guess how many chargers there are within a "10 minute walk" from a suburb which is mostly apartment buildings. Here's a representative suburb: https://www.google.com/maps/@59.2855172,17.9568074,3a,75y,214.87h,82.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6zl5b1JwGJIEyadoGi0VyQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@59.2855172,17.9568074,3a,75y,21... And it's the same everywhere. Here's Coulommiers, 1 hour outside Paris. Population, 14 thousand people: https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8206163,3.0939561,3a,75y,115.59h,94.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJsbwHeHsFb4iUjCqQzqnZA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DJsbwHeHsFb4iUjCqQzqnZA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D284.5939%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8206163,3.0939561,3a,75y,115... There's definitely plenty of space to "install own chargers", right? ;) Right now EVs are in the same place where cars ini general where over a 100 years ago: toys for sufficiently rich early adopters who can afford to deal with all the issues.