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How about Japan?

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
Japan is a Karōshi country, it's in a completely different league. Several of my Japanese friends openly say they are not happy. The pressure of the society is enormous and it's practically impossible to resist. The traditional roles are still very strong and do cause problems for daughters (and probably to their fathers, although they are not allowed to admit that). Many things are twisted in an unhealthy way.
- bradleyjg 5y ago
  It’s not accurate to say “virtually the entire developed world outside the US” if Japan doesn’t qualify. Japan is the second largest developed nation by population and economic output. If someone means “white countries” they ought to say that.
  - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
    Yes, I agree - it would be more correct to say “virtually the entire developed world outside the US and Japan.” I don't believe mixing skin color adds anything to the conversation except maybe the fact that a lot of labor abuse is happening in Asia in general. But Japan is very special because you don't need to work yourself to death in order to survive, but to fit in and don't fail the expectations of everybody around you.
    - bradleyjg 5y ago
      The US and Japan are about half the developed world. I don’t think the virtually … except formula gives the correct impression given that fact.
      - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
        OK, let;s put it differently. In terms of paid holidays per year, the USA is on a par with Argentina and two African countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_b... This is of course great for people like Bezos and Musk, but terrible for the society at large.
dustintrex 5y ago
Japan is, as ever, complicated. On paper, there are strong labor protections, even salaried employees need to be paid hourly overtime and the concept of "oncall" is foreign to labor law: either you're fully on the clock or not. In reality, many of these regulations are cheerfully ignored and unpaid overtime is quite common, but there is wide variance between companies.

How about Japan?

Japan is a Karōshi country, it's in a completely different league. Several of my Japanese friends openly say they are not happy. The pressure of the society is enormous and it's practically impossible to resist. The traditional roles are still very strong and do cause problems for daughters (and probably to their fathers, although they are not allowed to admit that). Many things are twisted in an unhealthy way.

bradleyjg 5y ago
It’s not accurate to say “virtually the entire developed world outside the US” if Japan doesn’t qualify. Japan is the second largest developed nation by population and economic output. If someone means “white countries” they ought to say that.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  Yes, I agree - it would be more correct to say “virtually the entire developed world outside the US and Japan.” I don't believe mixing skin color adds anything to the conversation except maybe the fact that a lot of labor abuse is happening in Asia in general. But Japan is very special because you don't need to work yourself to death in order to survive, but to fit in and don't fail the expectations of everybody around you.
  - bradleyjg 5y ago
    The US and Japan are about half the developed world. I don’t think the virtually … except formula gives the correct impression given that fact.
    - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
      OK, let;s put it differently. In terms of paid holidays per year, the USA is on a par with Argentina and two African countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_b... This is of course great for people like Bezos and Musk, but terrible for the society at large.

dustintrex 5y ago

Japan is, as ever, complicated. On paper, there are strong labor protections, even salaried employees need to be paid hourly overtime and the concept of "oncall" is foreign to labor law: either you're fully on the clock or not. In reality, many of these regulations are cheerfully ignored and unpaid overtime is quite common, but there is wide variance between companies.